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PGAWolf said:

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PGAWolf said:

EthanBarry said:

I don't have Chrysler numbers in front of my but the quality of arm and depth of them is head and shoulders what we've ever had. Avent had one trip to Omaha pre-Chrysler, with Rodon, two trips with him carried by a bunch of pitchability righties and mega stuff in the pen between Justice, Villaman, Dudan, Smith. They've had real prospects yearly: Swiney, Justice, Villaman, Fritton, etc. I don't think anybody knows how many or which strings Avent pulls compared to Chrysler, which is the main complaint. But as far as I can tell, a lot of the things we don't like pre-dated Chrysler


Absolutely agree with what you're saying and for the record I am indifferent on Chrysler. Before this year I was a fan of his. If Sogard is an option obviously would prefer that for multiple reasons.

Just to make counter argument because I love talking baseball. Velocity and stuff is up across baseball in general.

My problems this with Chrysler this year start with you have so many guys with legit stuff and you couldn't turn one of them into a competent bullpen arm. Kitchings, Manuel, Black, JP, Heintz, Ragusa, Hemric, Garino

Not to mention the lack of progression from Consiglio and Heath Andrews who both are extremely talented.

I usually blame the players first but with this many talented guys and not one developed over the course of the year, it raises eyebrows.


Most of those guys you mention above have command issues. It starts with recruiting. We have to do a better job of identifying the right guys. 96 doesn't mean **** if you can't command the baseball. In fact college hitters could give a **** in general about velo. It is about stuff. Like Ben McDonald talked about all weekend. It is what makes you different. What do you do differently. 2 of the dudes Carolina throw out there in McDuffie and Decaro command it and have elite change ups. Most of our guys have stock stuff with a lack of
Command.


Most high school guys don't come in with elite change ups. They don't need it in high school. If they have stuff, command, and multiple pitches they aren't stepping foot on campus.

I have no problem taking stuff and trying to develop it. But that's the key development.


Many of those guys you listed were portal guys. The HS guys don't need it in HS but if you have a clue you know you have to have it when you arrive on campus.
McDuffie came in with the CU. Decor came in with the CU.
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Yup
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Help is on the way
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PGAWolf said:

Just went and read the perfect game write up on those Carolina pitchers

Glauder- 89-91, primary secondary pitch is a flat sweeper (not good), and would occasionally throw a change up to left handed hitters.

Mcduffie was so low rated he didn't have a write up or even a grade by PG.


Decaro was rated 8.5 by PG. Not great.


McDuffie and DeCaro also have the highest BB% in the league.
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Alex Gee said:

PGAWolf said:

Just went and read the perfect game write up on those Carolina pitchers

Glauder- 89-91, primary secondary pitch is a flat sweeper (not good), and would occasionally throw a change up to left handed hitters.

Mcduffie was so low rated he didn't have a write up or even a grade by PG.


Decaro was rated 8.5 by PG. Not great.


McDuffie and DeCaro also have the highest BB% in the league.


It's amazing how we love Carolina players so much. But in reality they have 4 good pitchers that they ride. If they lost 2 of them they would be in the same spot State is in.

Dudan, Mahron, and Nance are just as good as their top guys.
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Alex Gee said:

PGAWolf said:

Just went and read the perfect game write up on those Carolina pitchers

Glauder- 89-91, primary secondary pitch is a flat sweeper (not good), and would occasionally throw a change up to left handed hitters.

Mcduffie was so low rated he didn't have a write up or even a grade by PG.


Decaro was rated 8.5 by PG. Not great.


McDuffie and DeCaro also have the highest BB% in the league.


So would it be fair to say they don't command it if they're walking guys at the highest rates in the league?
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matracey said:

Alex Gee said:

PGAWolf said:

Just went and read the perfect game write up on those Carolina pitchers

Glauder- 89-91, primary secondary pitch is a flat sweeper (not good), and would occasionally throw a change up to left handed hitters.

Mcduffie was so low rated he didn't have a write up or even a grade by PG.


Decaro was rated 8.5 by PG. Not great.


McDuffie and DeCaro also have the highest BB% in the league.


So would it be fair to say they don't command it if they're walking guys at the highest rates in the league?


What's interesting is I saw a stat that said stuff matters far more than command.

In the big leagues the difference in BA on a pitch on the black and pitch a few more inches over the plate is very very marginal.

Basically the conclusion was get the guy with the best swing and miss "stuff" then get ahead in the count.
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PGAWolf said:

Just went and read the perfect game write up on those Carolina pitchers

Glauder- 89-91, primary secondary pitch is a flat sweeper (not good), and would occasionally throw a change up to left handed hitters.

Mcduffie was so low rated he didn't have a write up or even a grade by PG.


Decaro was rated 8.5 by PG. Not great.

Glauber and Decaro were ranked higher than all our guys with the exception of Anderson Nance.

Dudan was rated 6.5 by PG.

What we need to change and this has nothing to do with Clint or Sogard or whomever (IMO), is the NIL available to bring in the top 100 type arms that want to go to college.

When is the last time we brought in a Chris Levonas type? Kid was top 45 in the country, Wake's #2 was ranked 63rd nationally. That's what we're missing and hopefully Hart will welcome NIL fundraisers and funds to get and keep those type arms.

Our highest ranked arms since 2015

Dalton Feeney - 92nd
Villaman - 107
Jaxon Lucas - 117
Austin Pace - 173
Bienlien - 211


The kid from KC coming in next year, Otto Knust, is ranked 276th. He's already 6'5 220 and pumpin low-mid 90s per his tweeters. Need more of that, that's ready to contribute.

The 3 JUCO arms that are signed seem to be highly regarded as well so hopefully we can hit on at least two of those guys.

Hopefully we can get some NIL rustled up to add a big arm or two along with some bats.

Oh, and I guess my point in all that rambling was we had/have some pretty good coaches.


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CLTWolf said:

PGAWolf said:

Just went and read the perfect game write up on those Carolina pitchers

Glauder- 89-91, primary secondary pitch is a flat sweeper (not good), and would occasionally throw a change up to left handed hitters.

Mcduffie was so low rated he didn't have a write up or even a grade by PG.


Decaro was rated 8.5 by PG. Not great.

Glauber and Decaro were ranked higher than all our guys with the exception of Anderson Nance.

Dudan was rated 6.5 by PG.

What we need to change and this has nothing to do with Clint or Sogard or whomever (IMO), is the NIL available to bring in the top 100 type arms that want to go to college.

When is the last time we brought in a Chris Levonas type? Kid was top 45 in the country, Wake's #2 was ranked 63rd nationally. That's what we're missing and hopefully Hart will welcome NIL fundraisers and funds to get and keep those type arms.

Our highest ranked arms since 2015

Dalton Feeney - 92nd
Villaman - 107
Jaxon Lucas - 117
Austin Pace - 173
Bienlien - 211


The kid from KC coming in next year, Otto Knust, is ranked 276th. He's already 6'5 220 and pumpin low-mid 90s per his tweeters. Need more of that, that's ready to contribute.

The 3 JUCO arms that are signed seem to be highly regarded as well so hopefully we can hit on at least two of those guys.

Hopefully we can get some NIL rustled up to add a big arm or two along with some bats.

Oh, and I guess my point in all that rambling was we had/have some pretty good coaches.





I am not getting into the coaching discussion. I agree with the fact that we don't consistently recruit at the level that UNC or Wale of late does. We are oftentimes out there trying to find diamond in the rough type Money or otherwise I don't know but it is an issue.

I will give you an example of an on state arm. We didn't even recruit Rhett britt who has been a top 100 guy most of his career. Has often been the top RHP in the state in 2026 class. Was committed to Wake and now signed with UNC. I am guessing that we just didn't think we could land the guy. Not sure why else.
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JCooke93 said:

Also fire the trainer please

Scooter out here catching strays! lol
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ClePack said:

wolfgators said:

I think the staff needs a shake up or it is more of the same


Bingo. Avent was awesome for us and the school, but this program needs new blood BADLY. Game passed him by a few seasons ago. Can't keep running it back like this. We need some kind of infusion of new energy and strategy



He's been to two College World Series in the past five years. An absolutely ridiculous take.
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"a few seasons ago" = the last 2 seasons where we have come up short relative to roster construction/minimized our talent/rosters. If you're cool with that, cool, I just think we need a new energy instead of the same stuff we've been doing the last 2 years. Hopefully hart provides it but running it back with this same staff is not something I'm excited for (hopefully hart makes a change somewhere)
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He didn't forget how to coach over the course of one summer. Some of yall sound like some of the UNC basketball fans when they were asking to fire Roy.

But he's gone now, so we'll see where it goes.
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He absolutely did his pitching staff and lineups no favors with leaving guys in too long and setting questionable batting orders. I'm not talking about not playing wiggins lol I wasn't in the wiggins debate. Avent used to be much better, in my opinion, at when to use certain relievers and when you pull them. He was never excellent at it but he was better. Hell, I don't think roy and avent are comparable. Roy won **** tons.


Yeah, I just want a fresh perspective from hart. Who knows if we get it
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BigLefty24 said:

He didn't forget how to coach over the course of one summer. Some of yall sound like some of the UNC basketball fans when they were asking to fire Roy.

But he's gone now, so we'll see where it goes.

Elliott's only issue (IMO) was not embracing NIL.

And being 70 but he looks damn good for 70. Ha
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Agree.
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Averts biggest issue wasn't his baseball coaching it was the uncertainty of his situation

Kids want the warm fuzzy that this is going to be their coach when they commit-I am sure it hurt us with some recruits
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JC- your Wolf Pack-- Players or Coaches
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CLTWolf said:

BigLefty24 said:

He didn't forget how to coach over the course of one summer. Some of yall sound like some of the UNC basketball fans when they were asking to fire Roy.

But he's gone now, so we'll see where it goes.

Elliott's only issue (IMO) was not embracing NIL.

And being 70 but he looks damn good for 70. Ha


What exactly does not embracing NIL mean? He's turning down the money available (doubt it) or he refuses to pound the pavement to fundraise to help? I've heard this comment before so curious what EA (or any other baseball coach) "should" be doing.

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MAWolfpack said:

CLTWolf said:

BigLefty24 said:

He didn't forget how to coach over the course of one summer. Some of yall sound like some of the UNC basketball fans when they were asking to fire Roy.

But he's gone now, so we'll see where it goes.

Elliott's only issue (IMO) was not embracing NIL.

And being 70 but he looks damn good for 70. Ha


What exactly does not embracing NIL mean? He's turning down the money available (doubt it) or he refuses to pound the pavement to fundraise to help? I've heard this comment before so curious what EA (or any other baseball coach) "should" be doing.




Yes
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CLTWolf said:

MAWolfpack said:

CLTWolf said:

BigLefty24 said:

He didn't forget how to coach over the course of one summer. Some of yall sound like some of the UNC basketball fans when they were asking to fire Roy.

But he's gone now, so we'll see where it goes.

Elliott's only issue (IMO) was not embracing NIL.

And being 70 but he looks damn good for 70. Ha


What exactly does not embracing NIL mean? He's turning down the money available (doubt it) or he refuses to pound the pavement to fundraise to help? I've heard this comment before so curious what EA (or any other baseball coach) "should" be doing.




Yes


I feel like baseball has a lot of cool fund raisers they could do, due to the support of former players. It seems anyone that has ever been connected to the program loves EA
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PGAWolf said:

CLTWolf said:

MAWolfpack said:

CLTWolf said:

BigLefty24 said:

He didn't forget how to coach over the course of one summer. Some of yall sound like some of the UNC basketball fans when they were asking to fire Roy.

But he's gone now, so we'll see where it goes.

Elliott's only issue (IMO) was not embracing NIL.

And being 70 but he looks damn good for 70. Ha


What exactly does not embracing NIL mean? He's turning down the money available (doubt it) or he refuses to pound the pavement to fundraise to help? I've heard this comment before so curious what EA (or any other baseball coach) "should" be doing.




Yes


I feel like baseball has a lot of cool fund raisers they could do, due to the support of former players. It seems anyone that has ever been connected to the program loves EA

The guy knows everyone, just him getting up in front of people and telling stories will get the wallets out. Hell, if Dave Doeren can do it, Avent should've as well. Now that's he got a ton of free time on his hands, he should help out his homies Hart and JT and attend a modified rubber chicken event.
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I personally feel that EA was more focused on funds for the facility upgrades than for players. We didn't even have a preseason dinner after Omaha. Some D-3 programs do those.

Me and my Pack Homer buddies sat at the $5k table with Patrick Bailey at the last one. It was awesome. Would love to see more things like that to drive NIL funding.

I've said this over and over and I know no one wants to hear it and I get it - and it's not a knock on the other sports - but if we had $1.5mm out of the football budget they maybe are a Gasparilla Bowl team instead of Mayo Bowl team. To be a National Title contender they probably need another $15mm+. In basketball if we strip $1.5mm do we go from 7th to 8th or 9th in ACC? Need what, another $10-$15mm for Top 3 in ACC money?

At the same time I think if you collectively add $3mm in baseball you can really put together an elite roster with some game changing pieces…just my opinion.
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Also - really close to impossible to make a run when you lose those two guys….

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stategrad06 said:

I personally feel that EA was more focused on funds for the facility upgrades than for players. We didn't even have a preseason dinner after Omaha. Some D-3 programs do those.

Me and my Pack Homer buddies sat at the $5k table with Patrick Bailey at the last one. It was awesome. Would love to see more things like that to drive NIL funding.

I've said this over and over and I know no one wants to hear it and I get it - and it's not a knock on the other sports - but if we had $1.5mm out of the football budget they maybe are a Gasparilla Bowl team instead of Mayo Bowl team. To be a National Title contender they probably need another $15mm+. In basketball if we strip $1.5mm do we go from 7th to 8th or 9th in ACC? Need what, another $10-$15mm for Top 3 in ACC money?

At the same time I think if you collectively add $3mm in baseball you can really put together an elite roster with some game changing pieces…just my opinion.

Absolutely. Just think we had 800k to give to Jerry Deng last year. Can only imagine what that money would have done for this baseball team.
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And I'd also add I love all Pack sports. I was at the Gasparilla Bowl this year - went to most home basketball games - season tickets for both. Went to the Final Four … ACC Championship game win in DC - I love the Pack

I just don't see the financial path to being elite in the others. When the NIL numbers were lower it seemed feasible - but it got out of control in a hurry - and to the point in basketball that I can't handle it anymore - sickened almost by it
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