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IPS IN 5: What Will Happen With Elliott Avent?

NC State head coach Elliott Avent's contract expires at the end of the season, and there has been no public discussion of an extension. Today we're discussing his postgame comments on Saturday, the future of the program, and more!
May 18, 2026
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NC State head coach Elliott Avent's contract expires at the end of the season, and there has been no public discussion of an extension. Today we're discussing his postgame comments on Saturday, the future of the program, and more!
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IPS IN 5: What Will Happen With Elliott Avent?

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BobbyCox95
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EthanBarry said:

65Pack said:

The program needs an overhaul for the whole coaching
Staff…it's time for new blood.

I disagree


Yea I don't get this at all. I don't know that anyone could have taken us to 3 CWS and a mainstay in the ncaa tourney with the resources we have given Avent. It blows my mind we are on the bubble one year and people want a new coach. Be very careful what you wish for.
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CLTWolf said:

pack2010 said:

If its Avents last year, keep Hart and shell out the (likely) saved money and get a top tier pitching coach and see what happens.

who is a "top tier" pitching coach that you want us to hire?



Bunch of mid majors have better numbers than us, lots of guys in MLB systems have become pitching coaches in college with success. There are guys out there that deserve a chance. Just personally CC feels like Tim Beck. Overall the numbers are just too average to keep him. He can do a couple things well, but overall results are lacking
poexcuse
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PGAWolf said:

poexcuse said:

Whatever guys…. some random logic was employed.
It's an unimportant sport so ….don't bother to try to be best? Huh?



You are already a top program. You aren't going to be a Texas or LSU so I the thought of risking regression to get marginally better doesn't make sense to me.

I mean heck you have been to Omaha 2 of the last 5 years. 3 of the last 12. That's pretty dang good.

Respect for Elliot's twenty year plus tenure. Tenure is loaded word in academia. For those of us living outside the university walls it seemed like a choice to give all power to a professor rather than the product, the learning of students. I can't square up the "earned" way of looking this situation. Today there is article about a young member of this team that I find inspiring. Change is hard and it's right to respect those who labored. Young people come and take their place…..including the new leaders.
Find joy …respect the athletes.
PGAWolf
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poexcuse said:

PGAWolf said:

poexcuse said:

Whatever guys…. some random logic was employed.
It's an unimportant sport so ….don't bother to try to be best? Huh?



You are already a top program. You aren't going to be a Texas or LSU so I the thought of risking regression to get marginally better doesn't make sense to me.

I mean heck you have been to Omaha 2 of the last 5 years. 3 of the last 12. That's pretty dang good.

Respect for Elliot's twenty year plus tenure. Tenure is loaded word in academia. For those of us living outside the university walls it seemed like a choice to give all power to a professor rather than the product, the learning of students. I can't square up the "earned" way of looking this situation. Today there is article about a young member of this team that I find inspiring. Change is hard and it's right to respect those who labored. Young people come and take their place…..including the new leaders.


Why do you want change though? What are you not happy with.
PGAWolf
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Wrong thread**
CLTWolf
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pack2010 said:

CLTWolf said:

pack2010 said:

If its Avents last year, keep Hart and shell out the (likely) saved money and get a top tier pitching coach and see what happens.

who is a "top tier" pitching coach that you want us to hire?



Bunch of mid majors have better numbers than us, lots of guys in MLB systems have become pitching coaches in college with success. There are guys out there that deserve a chance. Just personally CC feels like Tim Beck. Overall the numbers are just too average to keep him. He can do a couple things well, but overall results are lacking

ok
poexcuse
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PGAWolf said:

poexcuse said:

PGAWolf said:

poexcuse said:

Whatever guys…. some random logic was employed.
It's an unimportant sport so ….don't bother to try to be best? Huh?



You are already a top program. You aren't going to be a Texas or LSU so I the thought of risking regression to get marginally better doesn't make sense to me.

I mean heck you have been to Omaha 2 of the last 5 years. 3 of the last 12. That's pretty dang good.

Respect for Elliot's twenty year plus tenure. Tenure is loaded word in academia. For those of us living outside the university walls it seemed like a choice to give all power to a professor rather than the product, the learning of students. I can't square up the "earned" way of looking this situation. Today there is article about a young member of this team that I find inspiring. Change is hard and it's right to respect those who labored. Young people come and take their place…..including the new leaders.



Why do you want change though? What are you not happy with.

Thanks for that question
The movie "Money Ball" was a great illustration of the application of information management to game situations. In the movie ….it was a difficult transition. There are recent articles about Gainey embracing analytics. We all agree that is needed.
society and economics move in ways that make it hard for folks my age to remain to be the cutting edge leaders we need to be. We want the best tools in the hands of our players. I am almost four years older than Elliot. The university has provided a life for Eillot that I am sure is better than any he could have imagined in his early days. My focus is on doing the best for young people that are with us and those to come.For me that means seeking the best prepared leader for them at this moment.
We can appreciate the past and embrace a different future at the same time.



Find joy …respect the athletes.
Alex Gee
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Moneyball is a fantastic movie but also did a great job of omitting one of the best 3 man pitching rotations in recent memory, the AL MVP, & MVP vote receiving Eric Chavez.
metcalfmafia
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This should be the easiest hire in NC State history....Chris Hart.
JCooke93
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Sorry everyone but I am done with hart can't defend him or this staff anymore
Rob McLamb
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Alex Gee said:

Moneyball is a fantastic movie but also did a great job of omitting one of the best 3 man pitching rotations in recent memory, the AL MVP, & MVP vote receiving Eric Chavez.


This is so important to remember. The A's basically had to win one of two games from their fourth and fifth starters and that meant they were playing .800 baseball.

And by the way, Scott Hatteburg is not the 21st century version of Lou Gehrig either.

One more thing, the folks who made Moneyball should burn in hell for the way they unfairly mocked Art Howe.
Twitter: @RobMcLamb
ICW Wolf
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It's about modernizing the program. If Hart is the guy to do that then ok. If he isn't find the guy who is. Boo should have a very clear view of Hart is the guy or not.
JCooke93
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Sorry everyone just frustrated
JCooke93
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Exactly
FLWolf
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Modernizing the program is the key moving forward-Avent had a great run but it is time

Also, we will lose recruits to other programs with more stable situations-you can't go year to year
helloitsme
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He needs to go
YouPeople
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Elliot O'Sendek
ICW Wolf
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That's not fair to Avent. But I will say and have always said the average fan doesn't understand that the baseball landscape is very different than basketball or football. There effectively is no BIG - you eliminate half the country that is cold weather schools. NC is loaded with baseball talent. You aren't a private school with private school tuition rate challenged. The majority of baseball players are hand in the dirt type kids. There are so many advantages that NC Syate has in baseball that t doesn't in other sports. This job is a really good job.
YouPeople
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ICW Wolf said:

That's not fair to Avent. But I will say and have always said the average fan doesn't understand that the baseball landscape is very different than basketball or football. There effectively is no BIG - you eliminate half the country that is cold weather schools. NC is loaded with baseball talent. You aren't a private school with private school tuition rate challenged. There are so many advantages that NC Syate has in baseball that t doesn't in other sports. This job is a really good job.


Agree. Now get some fresh blood.
Borowolf10
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Has there ever been a coach that is worse in a particular event/format than Avent in the ACC Tournament. He just gets wrecked by this thing one way or another every year.
YouPeople
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Matt Deggs?? I'm a fan

Edit- too expensive
ICW Wolf
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Borowolf10 said:

Has there ever been a coach that is worse in a particular event/format than Avent in the ACC Tournament. He just gets wrecked by this thing one way or another every year.


I don't think there was anything managerial with this effort today. The team simply can't pitch right now. Too many misses plus the 2 key injuries.
poexcuse
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ICW Wolf said:

It's about modernizing the program. If Hart is the guy to do that then ok. If he isn't find the guy who is. Boo should have a very clear view of Hart is the guy or not.

Yes, Money Ball is a good but flawed piece of theater. The broader topic of the movie was sports in general changed a traditional approach to the game. The University is about providing "state" of the art student learning. As harsh as this may sound: We should want to adjust/modernize our leadership after a 25 year run. I am not commenting on who is next. There will always be a next. I am just saying we want to offer the best we can to the kids that come to play at NC State.
Find joy …respect the athletes.
Wolfer79
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Borowolf10 said:

Has there ever been a coach that is worse in a particular event/format than Avent in the ACC Tournament. He just gets wrecked by this thing one way or another every year.


Yes
Mr. O
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Seems like if Avent isn't allowed to return, then you would go in an entirely different direction rather than hire an assistant on the current staff. Might as well bring Avent back. Then again, maybe Boo just wants Avent gone?

M_A
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I'm not too broken up about it, just like Elliot isnt about losing in the ACC Tournament
ChemE94
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Agreed. I have always felt like EA and Boo don't see eye to eye, and I am pretty certain he was sideways with Yow as she was winding down here, too. At some point, it's you not them, as you can only be sideways with your boss(es) for so long before it becomes a problem, and if we don't make the tournament, I expect an announcement pretty quickly. Regardless, I would bet money that Boo has put out feelers and knows the landscape and how the job is viewed from the outside, but I truly hope Hart is given a fair shot at the job. He sets a very high floor for who the next coach could be. And while I want us to listen to other potential coaches' visions for where they would take NC State baseball, I really really hope it is Hart in the end.
JCooke93
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Ugh
JCooke93
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Saying if to get off my chest why I don't want Hart bad base running at 3B and he let these 3 players go
K.Smith To Duke
R.Woodson3 To Mississippi State
J.Bechtel47 To UNCW
Ok rent over
Alex Gee
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JCooke93 said:

Saying if to get off my chest why I don't want Hart bad base running at 3B and he let these 3 players go
K.Smith To Duke
R.Woodson3 To Mississippi State
J.Bechtel47 To UNCW
Ok rent over


.255/.343/.426

or

.377/.437/.623 + .298/.395/.519

Jake Bechtel is a great kid with a great family. He hit .252 in CAA
JCooke93
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Sorry for my rant
wilmwolf
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I don't really think how a guy coaches third base should have any impact on him being a head coach or not. Only thing Hart ever did that bothered me was the one time he DIDN'T send a guy in the championship game. Otherwise, I'm a fan of sending them most times, put the pressure on the other team to make the relay and tag them.
Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something

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Glasswolf
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Mr. O said:

Seems like if Avent isn't allowed to return, then you would go in an entirely different direction rather than hire an assistant on the current staff. Might as well bring Avent back. Then again, maybe Boo just wants




How do we know Hart wouldn't go in a different direction?
“In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem.”
- George Carlin



PGAWolf
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Glasswolf said:

Mr. O said:

Seems like if Avent isn't allowed to return, then you would go in an entirely different direction rather than hire an assistant on the current staff. Might as well bring Avent back. Then again, maybe Boo just wants




How do we know Hart wouldn't go in a different direction?


I'm sure everyone always agrees with every decision their boss makes and wouldn't change a thing if they were calling the shots.
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JCooke93 said:

Saying if to get off my chest why I don't want Hart bad base running at 3B and he let these 3 players go
K.Smith To Duke
R.Woodson3 To Mississippi State
J.Bechtel47 To UNCW
Ok rent over


And in exchange we got Bargo and Mikey Ryan/Sherman Johnson. All of which are (or were) better players than Smith and Woodson. And Bechtel was absolutely horrible against ACC pitching, and hitting .252 in CAA play shows me he is still growing/developing
 
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