IPS IN 5: What Will Happen With Elliott Avent?

pack2010 said:

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JCooke93 said:

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Saying if to get off my chest why I don't want Hart bad base running at 3B and he let these 3 players go
K.Smith To Duke
R.Woodson3 To Mississippi State
J.Bechtel47 To UNCW
Ok rent over

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And in exchange we got Bargo and Mikey Ryan/Sherman Johnson. All of which are (or were) better players than Smith and Woodson. And Bechtel was absolutely horrible against ACC pitching, and hitting .252 in CAA play shows me he is still growing/developing

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Yeah the fact of the matter is this season comes down to a couple things.

1. Losing Mahron and Dudan, the season was pretty much over at that point

2. The lack of power in the offense due to
-Regression of McHugh
-Bargo getting hurt
-Mikey Ryan getting hurt
-Regression of Fraasman

Losing all that power in the lineup plus the pitching is just too much for anyone to overcome.

Go take away Decarlo and Walker Mcduffie then remove their center fielder and SS for an extended period of time and let's see where they are.

But we had no RF this year just my opinion

PGAWolf said:

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pack2010 said:

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JCooke93 said:

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Saying if to get off my chest why I don't want Hart bad base running at 3B and he let these 3 players go
K.Smith To Duke
R.Woodson3 To Mississippi State
J.Bechtel47 To UNCW
Ok rent over

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And in exchange we got Bargo and Mikey Ryan/Sherman Johnson. All of which are (or were) better players than Smith and Woodson. And Bechtel was absolutely horrible against ACC pitching, and hitting .252 in CAA play shows me he is still growing/developing

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Yeah the fact of the matter is this season comes down to a couple things.

1. Losing Mahron and Dudan, the season was pretty much over at that point

2. The lack of power in the offense due to
-Regression of McHugh
-Bargo getting hurt
-Mikey Ryan getting hurt
-Regression of Fraasman

Losing all that power in the lineup plus the pitching is just too much for anyone to overcome.

Go take away Decarlo and Walker Mcduffie then remove their center fielder and SS for an extended period of time and let's see where they are.

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100% Fraasman was horrible this year. If we want to talk about players that left, why not bring up Jet Gilliam too? He had a great year at Utah. McHugh wasn't good in ACC play (compared to expectations) and Bargo was a big letdown for 75% of the season.

Yup. The injuries hurt, and lack of pitching development and/or miss evals is what burned us too.

Andrews has been the same guy for 3 years (and tbh that is not good), but we still throw him out there in high leverage spots. Coop has gotten worse since a very solid freshman year. Took a couple "flyers" on Black/Garino and while Garino flashed a little, he wasn't a reliable ACC guy. If those 4 guys are just average, we have the depth we think we have and we are in a good spot regarding being on the bubble. A couple of the freshman looked okay early, but clearly we were fooled by the lack of competition. Not saying a couple of those guys cant be good, but personally I don't trust they will reach their potential here.

JCooke93 said:

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But we had no RF this year just my opinion

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why not be upset about Jaros or Gilliam leaving too then? Gilliam had an awesome year at Utah, Jaros was very solid at Rutgers and had the athletic ability to play RF. Because I agree, Fraasman was very bad this year, but i certainly dont think Bechtel was the answer out in right

For a staff that usually has had a good catcher (basically since Brett Austin atleast) we were down right bad behind the dish, I don't know how decarlo never took over there

So if draft goes how i think it's going to go 17 guys gone Draft UDFA and Graduated

I was going to add them too

Good question

Yup

Rob McLamb said:

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BobbyCox95 said:

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EthanBarry said:

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65Pack said:

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The program needs an overhaul for the whole coaching
Staff…it's time for new blood.

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I disagree

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Yea I don't get this at all. I don't know that anyone could have taken us to 3 CWS and a mainstay in the ncaa tourney with the resources we have given Avent. It blows my mind we are on the bubble one year and people want a new coach. Be very careful what you wish for.

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My personal sentiments exactly.

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And had a chance to win the confrence regular season entering the last game of the season last year.

But fire everyone.

pack2010 said:

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JCooke93 said:

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But we had no RF this year just my opinion

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why not be upset about Jaros or Gilliam leaving too then? Gilliam had an awesome year at Utah, Jaros was very solid at Rutgers and had the athletic ability to play RF. Because I agree, Fraasman was very bad this year, but i certainly dont think Bechtel was the answer out in right

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End of the season last year you would have kept Jaros or Gilliam over Fraasman in RF?

Yup

Rob McLamb said:

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BobbyCox95 said:

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EthanBarry said:

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65Pack said:

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The program needs an overhaul for the whole coaching
Staff…it's time for new blood.

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I disagree

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Yea I don't get this at all. I don't know that anyone could have taken us to 3 CWS and a mainstay in the ncaa tourney with the resources we have given Avent. It blows my mind we are on the bubble one year and people want a new coach. Be very careful what you wish for.

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My personal sentiments exactly.

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you have to consider the source of the original comment imo

Yes

So 17 guys should be gone Drafted UDFA and Graduate and maybe Graduate Portal as well

Jtilley said:

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pack2010 said:

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JCooke93 said:

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But we had no RF this year just my opinion

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why not be upset about Jaros or Gilliam leaving too then? Gilliam had an awesome year at Utah, Jaros was very solid at Rutgers and had the athletic ability to play RF. Because I agree, Fraasman was very bad this year, but i certainly dont think Bechtel was the answer out in right

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End of the season last year you would have kept Jaros or Gilliam over Fraasman in RF?

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I wouldn't have, no. Just playing devils advocate. The same way I wasn't upset Woodson left or bechtel leaving.

Yeah none of those guys are the difference. We did a nice job offensively with the portal. Guys like Nixon and Head continued to get better. The issue was the injuries and the slew of misses with the pitching staff recruiting. Neither HS nor the portal hit. We added a ton of guys and the o ly guys we could count on at all were on the roster last year.

Rob McLamb said:

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BobbyCox95 said:

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EthanBarry said:

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65Pack said:

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The program needs an overhaul for the whole coaching
Staff…it's time for new blood.

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I disagree

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Yea I don't get this at all. I don't know that anyone could have taken us to 3 CWS and a mainstay in the ncaa tourney with the resources we have given Avent. It blows my mind we are on the bubble one year and people want a new coach. Be very careful what you wish for.

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My personal sentiments exactly.

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other than Keatts….have you ever published your opinion that a sitting coach should leave? If you are face to face with the coach daily, I can see where it might be wise to refrain from suggesting an exit. I am not questioning your support. I am pointing out you are close to the situation.

Ncsu1050 said:

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ICW Wolf said:

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Yeah none of those guys are the difference. We did a nice job offensively with the portal. Guys like Nixon and Head continued to get better. The issue was the injuries and the slew of misses with the pitching staff recruiting. Neither HS nor the portal hit. We added a ton of guys and the o ly guys we could count on at all were on the roster last year.

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I thought Sherman Johnson was a hit


Mikey Ryan was also a solid addition (injury at the end of the year obviously maybe derailed them

I would consider those two guys hits

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Me too, pitching injuries, fraasman and mchugh not taking big steps forward in conference play, as well as getting nothing of significance from bargo wiggins or novy at dh were all too much to overcome. If fraasman and mchugh just hit at parity to last season in conference play, and one of those other three hit at dh, this season looks a whole lot different. And yes, I know that's a lot of if's…

JC, Alex and Ethan- will our Strength of Confidence schedule ( playing 21 of 30 games vs the Top 7 Teams?

Yeah it was not good at all

BigLefty24 said:

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Avent is one of the most respected and highly regarded coaches in the country by everyone except his own fanbase. It's crazy that we have this discussion every year.

The dude has been to 22 NCAA tournaments since 1997. He's made 3 College World Series since 2013, two of which happened in the last five years, and if not for getting screwed, he's have a national championship under his belt. And now everyone is all in their feels because a team that lost TWO of the best starting pitchers in the enitre conference early in the year for the entire season is currently on the NCAA bubble.

What a spoiled little bunch we've become.

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I'm not sure if that's it. We live in a fast pace college landscape now. Winning is everything. Coaches come and go as fast as players do. We have Avent and Doeren in two of our highest profile coaching seats that have been around for a long time. Some people just want change.

I would fully support Avent returning, and there is no logic that makes any sense for him not to return. Consistent as hell.

BigLefty24 said:

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Coach15 said:

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BigLefty24 said:

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Avent is one of the most respected and highly regarded coaches in the country by everyone except his own fanbase. It's crazy that we have this discussion every year.

The dude has been to 22 NCAA tournaments since 1997. He's made 3 College World Series since 2013, two of which happened in the last five years, and if not for getting screwed, he's have a national championship under his belt. And now everyone is all in their feels because a team that lost TWO of the best starting pitchers in the enitre conference early in the year for the entire season is currently on the NCAA bubble.

What a spoiled little bunch we've become.

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I'm not sure if that's it. We live in a fast pace college landscape now. Winning is everything. Coaches come and go as fast as players do. We have Avent and Doeren in two of our highest profile coaching seats that have been around for a long time. Some people just want change.

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And your last sentence is the entire problem.

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Oh I agree with you 100%. I was just playing devil's advocate.

Yea, I know. I was moreso referencing the vocal minority who show up every year to throw shade on Avent.