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Mr. O said:
Fire Avent?
You aren't going to fire the guy but it's probably time for a change tbh. There's been a lot of frustration this year with multiple decisions. Then again, it's not his fault that your top 2 pitchers are hurt.
Speaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
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Speaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
The national pitcher of the year last year for UNC threw 102 innings in 15 starts coming off Tommy John.
Coastal lost two top 5 round picks this year from their staff.
It's not an NC State problem. I think of guys that threw real innings (including SVD even though he didn't throw a ton) State has had 3 TJ guys in 5 years. Willadsen, SVD, Dudan.
I might be forgetting someone.
Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:
Speaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
The national pitcher of the year last year for UNC threw 102 innings in 15 starts coming off Tommy John.
Coastal lost two top 5 round picks this year from their staff.
It's not an NC State problem. I think of guys that threw real innings (including SVD even though he didn't throw a ton) State has had 3 TJ guys in 5 years. Willadsen, SVD, Dudan.
I might be forgetting someone.
Didn't. an Dam also have a UCL and then there was whatever injury D Smith had. Seems a pretty good number but maybe other teams have had similar numbers to important guys.
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jpack71 said:Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:
Speaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
The national pitcher of the year last year for UNC threw 102 innings in 15 starts coming off Tommy John.
Coastal lost two top 5 round picks this year from their staff.
It's not an NC State problem. I think of guys that threw real innings (including SVD even though he didn't throw a ton) State has had 3 TJ guys in 5 years. Willadsen, SVD, Dudan.
I might be forgetting someone.
Didn't. a Dam also have a UCL and then there was whatever injury D Smith had. Seems a pretty good number but maybe other teams have had similar numbers to important guys.
SVD = Shane Van Dam.
Have heard from folks I trust that Smith dealt with the yips after a minor injury. Highfill hurt his back in the offseason. I mean that's stuff you can't control.
Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:
Speaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
The national pitcher of the year last year for UNC threw 102 innings in 15 starts coming off Tommy John.
Coastal lost two top 5 round picks this year from their staff.
It's not an NC State problem. I think of guys that threw real innings (including SVD even though he didn't throw a ton) State has had 3 TJ guys in 5 years. Willadsen, SVD, Dudan.
I might be forgetting someone.
Didn't. a Dam also have a UCL and then there was whatever injury D Smith had. Seems a pretty good number but maybe other teams have had similar numbers to important guys.
SVD = Shane Van Dam.
Have heard from folks I trust that Smith dealt with the yips after a minor injury. Highfill hurt his back in the offseason. I mean that's stuff you can't control.
Missed the SVD. like I said, probably other teams have had similar but man it just seems like more than our fair share the last several years.
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jpack71 said:Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:
Speaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
The national pitcher of the year last year for UNC threw 102 innings in 15 starts coming off Tommy John.
Coastal lost two top 5 round picks this year from their staff.
It's not an NC State problem. I think of guys that threw real innings (including SVD even though he didn't throw a ton) State has had 3 TJ guys in 5 years. Willadsen, SVD, Dudan.
I might be forgetting someone.
Didn't. a Dam also have a UCL and then there was whatever injury D Smith had. Seems a pretty good number but maybe other teams have had similar numbers to important guys.
SVD = Shane Van Dam.
Have heard from folks I trust that Smith dealt with the yips after a minor injury. Highfill hurt his back in the offseason. I mean that's stuff you can't control.
Missed the SVD. like I said, probably other teams have had similar but man it just seems like more than our fair share the last several years.
You just like showing up when you see UNC and stirring it up, huh?
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The Wiggins discourse is hilarious. I can't remember such a polarizing player in any sport. Alex sent the FBI to my house tonight when I told him I think he will get drafted
Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:Alex Gee said:jpack71 said:
SomSpeaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
The national pitcher of the year last year for UNC threw 102 innings in 15 starts coming off Tommy John.
Coastal lost two top 5 round picks this year from their staff.
It's not an NC State problem. I think of guys that threw real innings (including SVD even though he didn't throw a ton) State has had 3 TJ guys in 5 years. Willadsen, SVD, Dudan.
I might be forgetting someone.
Didn't. a Dam also have a UCL and then there was whatever injury D Smith had. Seems a pretty good number but maybe other teams have had similar numbers to important guys.
SVD = Shane Van Dam.
Have heard from folks I trust that Smith dealt with the yips after a minor injury. Highfill hurt his back in the offseason. I mean that's stuff you can't control.
Missed the SVD. like I said, probably other teams have had similar but man it just seems like more than our fair share the last several years.
You just like showing up when you see UNC and stirring it up, huh?
Honestly didn't think about it when I posed the question. As I was watching the game I was thinking about how this season has turned out with us probably needing to win at least one against UNC to make the NCAA field and how big the injuries to the arms have been a factor. That's when I started thinking about the guys we have had suffer injuries the last several years and it made me wonder how that compared to other teams in the ACC over the past 3-5 years. Thought some of you on the thread may keep up with some of those other teams do more than myself.
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The Wiggins discourse is hilarious. I can't remember such a polarizing player in any sport. Alex sent the FBI to my house tonight when I told him I think he will get drafted
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I'd be shocked if Avent actually agreed to this, but I'd really consider going with an opener with Andrew's and Hemerick if I were the staff.
They can both get through a lineup once but it's dicey after that. Let an opener throw to the heart of the lineup and then piggyback them.
They can both get through a lineup once but it's dicey after that. Let an opener throw to the heart of the lineup and then piggyback them.
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The Wiggins discourse is hilarious. I can't remember such a polarizing player in any sport. Alex sent the FBI to my house tonight when I told him I think he will get drafted
Like the backup QB.
He probably does get drafted. Someone will see the chase rate/exit velos and think he is worth a pick.
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I'd be shocked if Avent actually agreed to this, but I'd really consider going with an opener with Andrew's and Hemerick if I were the staff.
They can both get through a lineup once but it's dicey after that. Let an opener throw to the heart of the lineup and then piggyback them.
Agreed. Those two should be useful pitchers and Hemric probably will be in time. Asking too much of them right now and not helping them out at all
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Speaking of the pitching injuries, it seems we have had more tha. our fair share of those over the last 3-5 years. I don't follow the other team in the ACC so much, but have others had the amount of pitching injuries we have during that time?
The national pitcher of the year last year for UNC threw 102 innings in 15 starts coming off Tommy John.
Coastal lost two top 5 round picks this year from their staff.
It's not an NC State problem. I think of guys that threw real innings (including SVD even though he didn't throw a ton) State has had 3 TJ guys in 5 years. Willadsen, SVD, Dudan.
I might be forgetting someone.
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Would love to see how things turn out if McHugh makes that throw to second on the bunt.
Andrew's pitched a heck of a game.
Andrew's pitched a heck of a game.
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
Arm issues aren't coaching issues.
They are velo-training facility issues.
They are velo-training facility issues.
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Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
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PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
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PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Last five years we have used like 10 pitchers when you really think about it.
Jtilley said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Last five years we have used like 10 pitchers when you really think about it.
I don't necessarily have a problem with it down the stretch. But early in the year and midweeks use more guys to lessen the load.
I also think a problem this year, the offense hasn't been good so you have been fighting for every win.
Look at the Lafayette game when Mahron was scratched. Peissel should have been able to handle them and the offense should have been able to score enough runs it didn't matter.
Yet Peissel couldn't make it out of the 1st inning and the offense was non existent. This was a team that the previous week Miami scored 60+ runs in 3 games.
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ICW Wolf said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.
Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.
Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.
Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.
Alex Gee said:ICW Wolf said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.
Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.
Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.
Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.
When fully healthy I think the two pitching staffs are pretty even.
The difference is the offense. Your staff has given you a chance in just about every series even with the injuries.
The GT series is the perfect example. How many teams have the horses to hold them to 9 runs in the first two games at their place. Yet you lose both games 3-1 and 6-4.
UNC wins the first two games against GT because their offense was able to score 5 runs in the first game and 14 in the second.
The offense has not been good enough, plain and simple. McHugh, RF, and DH have been abysmal. There's really nothing else to it.
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The offense has not been good enough, plain and simple. McHugh, RF, and DH have been abysmal. There's really nothing else to it.
Pair that with the injuries and the hardest conference schedule in the ACC and that's how you end up here
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PGAWolf said:Alex Gee said:ICW Wolf said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.
Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.
Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.
Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.
When fully healthy I think the two pitching staffs are pretty even.
The difference is the offense. Your staff has given you a chance in just about every series even with the injuries.
The GT series is the perfect example. How many teams have the horses to hold them to 9 runs in the first two games at their place. Yet you lose both games 3-1 and 6-4.
UNC wins the first two games against GT because their offense was able to score 5 runs in the first game and 14 in the second.
Oh agree 100%. And if you said in the preseason that the left side of your infield would improve from .240 BA/7 HR/36 RBI to .339/9/42 (with Mikey missing 6-9 conference games as well) you'd expect enough firepower.
McHugh unfortunately regressed significantly + RF/DH has given you literally zero production. If you have just one of those spots hitting the ball better you're fine. Two and this is a top 15 team with no doubt in my mind.
Alex Gee said:ICW Wolf said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.
Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.
Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.
Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.
Honestly I'd take Glauber and McDuffie over Nance and Garino in a heartbeat (Especially this year), but I get your argument.
UNC just needs a lead after six innings with those two guys and it is basically over. That is the biggest difference between having 2-3 really good bullpen arms and just one who you are trying to figure out when to throw.
McDuffie looks like a kid who was thrown in a locker in HS but he can pitch.
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Jtilley said:Alex Gee said:ICW Wolf said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.
Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.
Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.
Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.
Honestly I'd take Glauber and McDuffie over Nance and Garino in a heartbeat (Especially this year), but I get your argument.
UNC just needs a lead after six innings with those two guys and it is basically over. That is the biggest difference between having 2-3 really good bullpen arms and just one who you are trying to figure out when to throw.
McDuffie looks like a kid who was thrown in a locker in HS but he can pitch.
Full strength I think State has a significant edge with the starters and UNC has an edge with the bullpen, but not as significant.
Point being that State with a fully healthy pitching staff doesn't have anywhere close to a disastrous bullpen.
I'm taking Nance for 2 innings over a ton of guys.
Alex Gee said:ICW Wolf said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.
Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.
Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.
Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.
Can that last stat be put in context of all D1 baseball?
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Alex Gee said:Jtilley said:Alex Gee said:ICW Wolf said:PGAWolf said:ICW Wolf said:
Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.
It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.
Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.
Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.
Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.
Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.
Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.
Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.
Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.
Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.
Honestly I'd take Glauber and McDuffie over Nance and Garino in a heartbeat (Especially this year), but I get your argument.
UNC just needs a lead after six innings with those two guys and it is basically over. That is the biggest difference between having 2-3 really good bullpen arms and just one who you are trying to figure out when to throw.
McDuffie looks like a kid who was thrown in a locker in HS but he can pitch.
Full strength I think State has a significant edge with the starters and UNC has an edge with the bullpen, but not as significant.
Point being that State with a fully healthy pitching staff doesn't have anywhere close to a disastrous bullpen.
I'm taking Nance for 2 innings over a ton of guys.
Marhon, Dudan and Coop, what could have been.
Granted, we would have probably left Coop in the pen lol.
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