#Pack 9 Vs Auburn Game Thread L 11-1

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CLTWolf said:

I'd also suggest pumping the breaks on Ryder Woodson just a hair. He beat up bad lower end D1 pitching but came crashing back down to earth against Auburn and legit power conference arms. Kid is definitely talented but let's not do the thing were us fans put unnecessary and undue pressure on him going into next year.


This may be a first but I agree with this.
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stategrad06 said:

If we can get McCugh to lift the ball he can be a 20 HR guy. It's kind of anomaly for a guy with his raw power to be 5th or 6th on the team in xbh.
Everyone needs to stop expecting this to happen It almost never happens that a guy makes that big of a swing change this deep in his career. I hope he is with us next season and is able to make that change but we don't need to expect it.
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stategrad06 said:

I love Dudan, and really like him out of the bullpen. But to be a starter that provides you any length past 3-4 innings he is going to have to find command of the fastball where he can throw it 40% of the time or more or he's not going to profile well as a starter.

He is a high end reliever for sure - but lots of guys make the jump to the rotation and struggle and go back to the pen becuase they dont flash as starters. I think Dudan can but being able to dominate with the fastball is a big deal. Part of what has made RM and Anderson so good, more effective than even Dom, is they have the ability to throw FB for a strike anytime they want to. They don't miss with the fastball. Same for Shaffner. FB doesnt have to be Dudan's best pitch, but he needs to be able to pound the zone with it and not let guys sit on slider.
You can't be an (above agerave) starter with 2 pitches, especially if your top pitch isn't an elite fastball. Dudan is a bullpen arm unless he can figure out a better fastball grip and legit 3rd pitch, probably a changeup or something that would go opposite direction to his slider. He's a great bullpen arm when he's right but he's still a bullpen arm.
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tau06 said:

stategrad06 said:

If we can get McCugh to lift the ball he can be a 20 HR guy. It's kind of anomaly for a guy with his raw power to be 5th or 6th on the team in xbh.
Everyone needs to stop expecting this to happen It almost never happens that a guy makes that big of a swing change this deep in his career. I hope he is with us next season and is able to make that change but we don't need to expect it.
His post said "IF", not that McHugh will definitely be a 20 HR guy.

DeCriscio hit more home runs this year than he had in his entire career and he was a senior. McHugh was a sophomore and first year at State.

I do think it's reasonable to at least expect that it's something the staff will work on with McHugh going into his second year in the program.
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matracey said:

tau06 said:

stategrad06 said:

If we can get McCugh to lift the ball he can be a 20 HR guy. It's kind of anomaly for a guy with his raw power to be 5th or 6th on the team in xbh.
Everyone needs to stop expecting this to happen It almost never happens that a guy makes that big of a swing change this deep in his career. I hope he is with us next season and is able to make that change but we don't need to expect it.
His post said "IF", not that McHugh will definitely be a 20 HR guy.

DeCriscio hit more home runs this year then he had in his entire career and he was a senior. McHugh was a sophomore and first year at State.

I do think it's reasonable to at least expect that it's something the staff will work on with McHugh going into his second year in the program.
A Mak basically doubled his career home runs in one season. I think it's reasonable to expect an uptick in that if Hart is around. He credited him with that change.
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StateFan2001 said:

CLTWolf said:

I'd also suggest pumping the breaks on Ryder Woodson just a hair. He beat up bad lower end D1 pitching but came crashing back down to earth against Auburn and legit power conference arms. Kid is definitely talented but let's not do the thing were us fans put unnecessary and undue pressure on him going into next year.


This may be a first but I agree with this.
I'm totally in agreement here - I do think you want to see him have a good summer vs. elite pitching. I like his athleticism a lot and he was a guy 90+ off the mound so the arm plays. Never flashed a super elite 60 time but one that is good enough for the MIF. A lot to like about the exit velo you see from RW and his demeanor - will see what happens.

For the record, I was a huge PG guy. You talk about a guy with tools that just never played up in ACC play. He's hitting .356 right now in High A btw.
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tau06 said:

stategrad06 said:

If we can get McCugh to lift the ball he can be a 20 HR guy. It's kind of anomaly for a guy with his raw power to be 5th or 6th on the team in xbh.
Everyone needs to stop expecting this to happen It almost never happens that a guy makes that big of a swing change this deep in his career. I hope he is with us next season and is able to make that change but we don't need to expect it.
The Rays legit adjusted Yandy Diaz launch angle when they traded for him by placing BP screens on the infield and making him hit the ball over them. It can be done.
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stategrad06 said:

StateFan2001 said:

CLTWolf said:

I'd also suggest pumping the breaks on Ryder Woodson just a hair. He beat up bad lower end D1 pitching but came crashing back down to earth against Auburn and legit power conference arms. Kid is definitely talented but let's not do the thing were us fans put unnecessary and undue pressure on him going into next year.


This may be a first but I agree with this.
I'm totally in agreement here - I do think you want to see him have a good summer vs. elite pitching. I like his athleticism a lot and he was a guy 90+ off the mound so the arm plays. Never flashed a super elite 60 time but one that is good enough for the MIF. A lot to like about the exit velo you see from RW and his demeanor - will see what happens.

For the record, I was a huge PG guy. You talk about a guy with tools that just never played up in ACC play. He's hitting .356 right now in High A btw.

Green's issue was between the ears, nothing to do with talent.
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CLTWolf said:

stategrad06 said:

StateFan2001 said:

CLTWolf said:

I'd also suggest pumping the breaks on Ryder Woodson just a hair. He beat up bad lower end D1 pitching but came crashing back down to earth against Auburn and legit power conference arms. Kid is definitely talented but let's not do the thing were us fans put unnecessary and undue pressure on him going into next year.


This may be a first but I agree with this.
I'm totally in agreement here - I do think you want to see him have a good summer vs. elite pitching. I like his athleticism a lot and he was a guy 90+ off the mound so the arm plays. Never flashed a super elite 60 time but one that is good enough for the MIF. A lot to like about the exit velo you see from RW and his demeanor - will see what happens.

For the record, I was a huge PG guy. You talk about a guy with tools that just never played up in ACC play. He's hitting .356 right now in High A btw.

Green's issue was between the ears, nothing to do with talent.


Damn twice in 1 day.
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Need to land some arms that develop-we need an elite #1 to develop
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Francis said:

Nairo said:

It's insane seeing the stadiums at these other schools

Agreed, Doak is a joke.
Such a joke....
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CLTWolf said:

stategrad06 said:

StateFan2001 said:

CLTWolf said:

I'd also suggest pumping the breaks on Ryder Woodson just a hair. He beat up bad lower end D1 pitching but came crashing back down to earth against Auburn and legit power conference arms. Kid is definitely talented but let's not do the thing were us fans put unnecessary and undue pressure on him going into next year.


This may be a first but I agree with this.
I'm totally in agreement here - I do think you want to see him have a good summer vs. elite pitching. I like his athleticism a lot and he was a guy 90+ off the mound so the arm plays. Never flashed a super elite 60 time but one that is good enough for the MIF. A lot to like about the exit velo you see from RW and his demeanor - will see what happens.

For the record, I was a huge PG guy. You talk about a guy with tools that just never played up in ACC play. He's hitting .356 right now in High A btw.

Green's issue was between the ears, nothing to do with talent.


Yep. With guys like that it is just a matter of time before it clicks.
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Flwolfer99 said:

Francis said:

Nairo said:

It's insane seeing the stadiums at these other schools

Agreed, Doak is a joke.
Such a joke....
hope everyone that says this is also stroking a check to help pay for the upgrade
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Ncstatefan01 said:

Flwolfer99 said:

Francis said:

Nairo said:

It's insane seeing the stadiums at these other schools

Agreed, Doak is a joke.
Such a joke....
hope everyone that says this is also stroking a check to help pay for the upgrade


Totally understand where you're coming from, but this isn't a fan thing. Many MANY mid majors have pumped millions into their baseball stadiums recently and majority of it isn't from fans IMO. Our athletic department HAS to give more resources to these guys. It started with yow, she really put us behind the 8 ball. 35 million for Reynolds was crazy. Why not make it 30 and give 5 mil to baseball?
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Amen to that and yes she did
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pack2010 said:

Ncstatefan01 said:

Flwolfer99 said:

Francis said:

Nairo said:

It's insane seeing the stadiums at these other schools

Agreed, Doak is a joke.
Such a joke....
hope everyone that says this is also stroking a check to help pay for the upgrade


Totally understand where you're coming from, but this isn't a fan thing. Many MANY mid majors have pumped millions into their baseball stadiums recently and majority of it isn't from fans IMO. Our athletic department HAS to give more resources to these guys. It started with yow, she really put us behind the 8 ball. 35 million for Reynolds was crazy. Why not make it 30 and give 5 mil to baseball?


When Yow was the AD at Maryland, their baseball facilities were neglected also.
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CLTWolf said:

castlewood107 said:

Here's a total guess, I am probably off somewhere

C-Sosa
1B-McHugh
2B-Luke
3B-Novy
SS-Woodson
LF-portal/HS
CF-Head
RF-Lyons?
DH-Ossenfort

Friday starter -- Dudan
Saturday -- Ryan M
Sunday -- Nance
Midweek-coop

(edited to add this would be the best rotation in the ACC)

Bullpen
Lucas
Pielssel
Hopefully D Rock
Wimbish
Potts
Kaden Morris
portal
one freshman always pops
Fraasman is getting drafted in this scenario?

We have a JUCO stud OF signed in Devin Mitchell from Flo-Dar Tech.
https://fdtc.prestosports.com/sports/bsb/2024-25/players/devinmitchell1xjk?view=career&pos=h

I'm not sure I'd want to see Dudan as a starter but that's just me. IIRC, Piessel was a knee issue (did I make that up?) so he should be able to bounce back quicker than something arm related, I would hope. He probably slots into a weekend role, no (if healthy)?

If Aidan West makes it to school I could see him having a role next year, that kid can ball. Not sure where he would play. Starting a FR at SS scares me ever since the Payton Green experiment of 2022. ha

Novy is just so damn big. Is he nimble enough to play 3rd? Gotta have his bat in the lineup regardless.

There's also Rett Johnson that's highly thought of coming in but OF seems crowded although a departure or two could easily change that.


by drafted, do you mean by the military? Surely we're not talking about the MLB draft...LOL
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BigLefty24 said:

CLTWolf said:

castlewood107 said:

Here's a total guess, I am probably off somewhere

C-Sosa
1B-McHugh
2B-Luke
3B-Novy
SS-Woodson
LF-portal/HS
CF-Head
RF-Lyons?
DH-Ossenfort

Friday starter -- Dudan
Saturday -- Ryan M
Sunday -- Nance
Midweek-coop

(edited to add this would be the best rotation in the ACC)

Bullpen
Lucas
Pielssel
Hopefully D Rock
Wimbish
Potts
Kaden Morris
portal
one freshman always pops
Fraasman is getting drafted in this scenario?

We have a JUCO stud OF signed in Devin Mitchell from Flo-Dar Tech.
https://fdtc.prestosports.com/sports/bsb/2024-25/players/devinmitchell1xjk?view=career&pos=h

I'm not sure I'd want to see Dudan as a starter but that's just me. IIRC, Piessel was a knee issue (did I make that up?) so he should be able to bounce back quicker than something arm related, I would hope. He probably slots into a weekend role, no (if healthy)?

If Aidan West makes it to school I could see him having a role next year, that kid can ball. Not sure where he would play. Starting a FR at SS scares me ever since the Payton Green experiment of 2022. ha

Novy is just so damn big. Is he nimble enough to play 3rd? Gotta have his bat in the lineup regardless.

There's also Rett Johnson that's highly thought of coming in but OF seems crowded although a departure or two could easily change that.


by drafted, do you mean by the military? Surely we're not talking about the MLB draft...LOL
That is why I asked...
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pack2010 said:

Ncstatefan01 said:

Flwolfer99 said:

Francis said:

Nairo said:

It's insane seeing the stadiums at these other schools

Agreed, Doak is a joke.
Such a joke....
hope everyone that says this is also stroking a check to help pay for the upgrade


Totally understand where you're coming from, but this isn't a fan thing. Many MANY mid majors have pumped millions into their baseball stadiums recently and majority of it isn't from fans IMO. Our athletic department HAS to give more resources to these guys. It started with yow, she really put us behind the 8 ball. 35 million for Reynolds was crazy. Why not make it 30 and give 5 mil to baseball?


I'm not sure how 5 million would really help, even back then. We're doing largely cosmetic work now for 20M, and the end result won't be anything close to those SEC facilities. Fact is, the baseball facilities, for whatever the reasons may be, were neglected even before her tenure. Anything short of spending probably 50 million to build a whole new facility is going to leave people disappointed, and I don't know how you justify spending that much on baseball right now, even though I wish we could.
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
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CLTWolf said:

BigLefty24 said:

CLTWolf said:

castlewood107 said:

Here's a total guess, I am probably off somewhere

C-Sosa
1B-McHugh
2B-Luke
3B-Novy
SS-Woodson
LF-portal/HS
CF-Head
RF-Lyons?
DH-Ossenfort

Friday starter -- Dudan
Saturday -- Ryan M
Sunday -- Nance
Midweek-coop

(edited to add this would be the best rotation in the ACC)

Bullpen
Lucas
Pielssel
Hopefully D Rock
Wimbish
Potts
Kaden Morris
portal
one freshman always pops
Fraasman is getting drafted in this scenario?

We have a JUCO stud OF signed in Devin Mitchell from Flo-Dar Tech.
https://fdtc.prestosports.com/sports/bsb/2024-25/players/devinmitchell1xjk?view=career&pos=h

I'm not sure I'd want to see Dudan as a starter but that's just me. IIRC, Piessel was a knee issue (did I make that up?) so he should be able to bounce back quicker than something arm related, I would hope. He probably slots into a weekend role, no (if healthy)?

If Aidan West makes it to school I could see him having a role next year, that kid can ball. Not sure where he would play. Starting a FR at SS scares me ever since the Payton Green experiment of 2022. ha

Novy is just so damn big. Is he nimble enough to play 3rd? Gotta have his bat in the lineup regardless.

There's also Rett Johnson that's highly thought of coming in but OF seems crowded although a departure or two could easily change that.


by drafted, do you mean by the military? Surely we're not talking about the MLB draft...LOL
That is why I asked...
I don't think he will be drafted but I can see where scouts would like someone like Fraasman over some other guys on our roster. He has the size, power potential, arm, decent speed. So he has the "Tools" if he can ever hit.
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I see no Hogue but doesn't he have another year or two now since he was a JUCO? He is one that I will be surprised is drafted.
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Jtilley said:

CLTWolf said:

BigLefty24 said:

CLTWolf said:

castlewood107 said:

Here's a total guess, I am probably off somewhere

C-Sosa
1B-McHugh
2B-Luke
3B-Novy
SS-Woodson
LF-portal/HS
CF-Head
RF-Lyons?
DH-Ossenfort

Friday starter -- Dudan
Saturday -- Ryan M
Sunday -- Nance
Midweek-coop

(edited to add this would be the best rotation in the ACC)

Bullpen
Lucas
Pielssel
Hopefully D Rock
Wimbish
Potts
Kaden Morris
portal
one freshman always pops
Fraasman is getting drafted in this scenario?

We have a JUCO stud OF signed in Devin Mitchell from Flo-Dar Tech.
https://fdtc.prestosports.com/sports/bsb/2024-25/players/devinmitchell1xjk?view=career&pos=h

I'm not sure I'd want to see Dudan as a starter but that's just me. IIRC, Piessel was a knee issue (did I make that up?) so he should be able to bounce back quicker than something arm related, I would hope. He probably slots into a weekend role, no (if healthy)?

If Aidan West makes it to school I could see him having a role next year, that kid can ball. Not sure where he would play. Starting a FR at SS scares me ever since the Payton Green experiment of 2022. ha

Novy is just so damn big. Is he nimble enough to play 3rd? Gotta have his bat in the lineup regardless.

There's also Rett Johnson that's highly thought of coming in but OF seems crowded although a departure or two could easily change that.


by drafted, do you mean by the military? Surely we're not talking about the MLB draft...LOL
That is why I asked...
I don't think he will be drafted but I can see where scouts would like someone like Fraasman over some other guys on our roster. He has the size, power potential, arm, decent speed. So he has the "Tools" if he can ever hit.
I mean, it's not like he was bad this year (IMO). Hart and BoRob just need to work with him on laying off the off speed stuff away as well as stop trying to pull errything.

He's got big time pop, IMO. Big arm too. Getting him back would be good for us but that's just my opinion.
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wilmwolf said:

pack2010 said:

Ncstatefan01 said:

Flwolfer99 said:

Francis said:

Nairo said:

It's insane seeing the stadiums at these other schools

Agreed, Doak is a joke.
Such a joke....
hope everyone that says this is also stroking a check to help pay for the upgrade


Totally understand where you're coming from, but this isn't a fan thing. Many MANY mid majors have pumped millions into their baseball stadiums recently and majority of it isn't from fans IMO. Our athletic department HAS to give more resources to these guys. It started with yow, she really put us behind the 8 ball. 35 million for Reynolds was crazy. Why not make it 30 and give 5 mil to baseball?


I'm not sure how 5 million would really help, even back then. We're doing largely cosmetic work now for 20M, and the end result won't be anything close to those SEC facilities. Fact is, the baseball facilities, for whatever the reasons may be, were neglected even before her tenure. Anything short of spending probably 50 million to build a whole new facility is going to leave people disappointed, and I don't know how you justify spending that much on baseball right now, even though I wish we could.

Oh right, I agree 5 million wouldn't change much, but was just making the point that the athletic directors have seemingly neglected baseball and their facilities for years now and it's not always a fan thing. $5 mil would be nice, but you are right- we need closer to 10x that
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Jtilley said:

I see no Hogue but doesn't he have another year or two now since he was a JUCO? He is one that I will be surprised is drafted.
He's a JR but could get another year with the whole JUCO deal, I guess? I'm not sure he's drafted either but I didn't think Butters nor Harrison would get picked and boy was I wrong. lol
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CLTWolf said:

castlewood107 said:

Here's a total guess, I am probably off somewhere

C-Sosa
1B-McHugh
2B-Luke
3B-Novy
SS-Woodson
LF-portal/HS
CF-Head
RF-Lyons?
DH-Ossenfort

Friday starter -- Dudan
Saturday -- Ryan M
Sunday -- Nance
Midweek-coop

(edited to add this would be the best rotation in the ACC)

Bullpen
Lucas
Pielssel
Hopefully D Rock
Wimbish
Potts
Kaden Morris
portal
one freshman always pops
Fraasman is getting drafted in this scenario?

We have a JUCO stud OF signed in Devin Mitchell from Flo-Dar Tech.
https://fdtc.prestosports.com/sports/bsb/2024-25/players/devinmitchell1xjk?view=career&pos=h

I'm not sure I'd want to see Dudan as a starter but that's just me. IIRC, Piessel was a knee issue (did I make that up?) so he should be able to bounce back quicker than something arm related, I would hope. He probably slots into a weekend role, no (if healthy)?

If Aidan West makes it to school I could see him having a role next year, that kid can ball. Not sure where he would play. Starting a FR at SS scares me ever since the Payton Green experiment of 2022. ha

Novy is just so damn big. Is he nimble enough to play 3rd? Gotta have his bat in the lineup regardless.

There's also Rett Johnson that's highly thought of coming in but OF seems crowded although a departure or two could easily change that.



I've seen some tweets that Rett can/has played some 2nd base. I personally love his skill set and if they put Nixon at SS, I think he could possibly slide Rett at 2nd. Would be a dynamic add
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pack2010 said:

CLTWolf said:

castlewood107 said:

Here's a total guess, I am probably off somewhere

C-Sosa
1B-McHugh
2B-Luke
3B-Novy
SS-Woodson
LF-portal/HS
CF-Head
RF-Lyons?
DH-Ossenfort

Friday starter -- Dudan
Saturday -- Ryan M
Sunday -- Nance
Midweek-coop

(edited to add this would be the best rotation in the ACC)

Bullpen
Lucas
Pielssel
Hopefully D Rock
Wimbish
Potts
Kaden Morris
portal
one freshman always pops
Fraasman is getting drafted in this scenario?

We have a JUCO stud OF signed in Devin Mitchell from Flo-Dar Tech.
https://fdtc.prestosports.com/sports/bsb/2024-25/players/devinmitchell1xjk?view=career&pos=h

I'm not sure I'd want to see Dudan as a starter but that's just me. IIRC, Piessel was a knee issue (did I make that up?) so he should be able to bounce back quicker than something arm related, I would hope. He probably slots into a weekend role, no (if healthy)?

If Aidan West makes it to school I could see him having a role next year, that kid can ball. Not sure where he would play. Starting a FR at SS scares me ever since the Payton Green experiment of 2022. ha

Novy is just so damn big. Is he nimble enough to play 3rd? Gotta have his bat in the lineup regardless.

There's also Rett Johnson that's highly thought of coming in but OF seems crowded although a departure or two could easily change that.



I've seen some tweets that Rett can/has played some 2nd base. I personally love his skill set and if they put Nixon at SS, I think he could possibly slide Rett at 2nd. Would be a dynamic add


Seems they have had the opportunity to out Nixon at SS a couple times and have recruited a portal guy instead so not sure if that is going to happen. I like him there. Has the athleticism and arm.
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CLTWolf said:

Jtilley said:

I see no Hogue but doesn't he have another year or two now since he was a JUCO? He is one that I will be surprised is drafted.
He's a JR but could get another year with the whole JUCO deal, I guess? I'm not sure he's drafted either but I didn't think Butters nor Harrison would get picked and boy was I wrong. lol
Butters speed probably helped him some but Harrison I was surprised by.

With Hogue I hope he stays but I just don't see much athleticism or defense to get much attention in the draft. The injury last year probably has something to do with that as well.
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BSR2016 said:

White chalk literally came up
That was a joke. Umpires thought it was a foul line. SMH
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Ncstatefan01 said:

Flwolfer99 said:

Francis said:

Nairo said:

It's insane seeing the stadiums at these other schools

Agreed, Doak is a joke.
Such a joke....
hope everyone that says this is also stroking a check to help pay for the upgrade


They asked for 10 million and we raised 15 in a relative short amount of time. This isn't a "we are too cheap issue", this is a lack of motivation from our athletic department issue. I think they've taken Avent for granted.
 
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