StateFan2001 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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wroncsu said:

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I'm more than fine with Andrews sticking in the rotation as he's normally been able to get into the 3rd or 4th before things go sideways in his more rough outings. However, I just wish they'd have quicker hooks with him (or just kind of with the starters in general given the weapons we have in the pen that can give you length).

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Can I ask why you are fine keeping a guy in the rotation that is giving 3-4 innings as you say at the expense of having your best arm in the rotation?

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You keep saying this and I can't quite grasp it. Yes, Nance should probably be in the rotation if SVD and Consiglio can give you something out of the bullpen.

Marohn and Fritton have had sustained success against top tier opponents. Hell, Fritton might be the unluckiest starter State has had in a while in ERA terms when you look at the advanced stuff compared to his K rate.

Shaffner and Dudan have been lock down arms out of the pen in conference play. And Nance has been great recently, no doubt. But I don't think it's as much of a slam dunk as "your best arm isn't in the rotation".

Fatigue not considered, one game to win the ACC title, I'd start Marohn, Fritton, or Dudan in that order. Then probably Nance. And I'd want Dudan or Shaffner to close it.

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Obviously it is an opinion at this point based on the fact that we haven't seen him in the rotation. However, when you command 3 pitches at this point and I mean command and that includes a 94-97 fb, haven't walked a dude in weeks and has been already throwing extended outings it isn't a stretch to say best arm.
Marohn has been throwing it well but Dom has been a bit up and down and Dudan is exclusively a back end of pen guy throwing 1 pitch.

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Glasswolf said:

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Some pitchers don't pitch well as a starter. Some are just built to come out of the bull pen. Anyone remember Evan Justice starting 4 games in 2021? He then moved to the pen and the rest is history. He was lights out as a relief pitcher

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tau06 said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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Alex Gee said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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wroncsu said:

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I'm more than fine with Andrews sticking in the rotation as he's normally been able to get into the 3rd or 4th before things go sideways in his more rough outings. However, I just wish they'd have quicker hooks with him (or just kind of with the starters in general given the weapons we have in the pen that can give you length).

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Can I ask why you are fine keeping a guy in the rotation that is giving 3-4 innings as you say at the expense of having your best arm in the rotation?

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You keep saying this and I can't quite grasp it. Yes, Nance should probably be in the rotation if SVD and Consiglio can give you something out of the bullpen.

Marohn and Fritton have had sustained success against top tier opponents. Hell, Fritton might be the unluckiest starter State has had in a while in ERA terms when you look at the advanced stuff compared to his K rate.

Shaffner and Dudan have been lock down arms out of the pen in conference play. And Nance has been great recently, no doubt. But I don't think it's as much of a slam dunk as "your best arm isn't in the rotation".

Fatigue not considered, one game to win the ACC title, I'd start Marohn, Fritton, or Dudan in that order. Then probably Nance. And I'd want Dudan or Shaffner to close it.

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Obviously it is an opinion at this point based on the fact that we haven't seen him in the rotation. However, when you command 3 pitches at this point and I mean command and that includes a 94-97 fb, haven't walked a dude in weeks and has been already throwing extended outings it isn't a stretch to say best arm.
Marohn has been throwing it well but Dom has been a bit up and down and Dudan is exclusively a back end of pen guy throwing 1 pitch.

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Got to remember this is still baseball and the Nance success is an extremely small sample size. Same guy who gave up 5 runs in 2.1 innings (2 appearances) against UVA less than a month ago. I don't want to take away form how incredible he's been the last 4 games he's pitched but it's an incredibly cyclical sport and we have a lot of great arms. I think he's going to have an awesome career and sure as hell hope he keeps it up the rest of the season wherever he gets slotted to pitch.

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Glasswolf said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Some pitchers don't pitch well as a starter. Some are just built to come out of the bull pen. Anyone remember Evan Justice starting 4 games in 2021? He then moved to the pen and the rest is history. He was lights out as a relief pitcher

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Yeah very confident to say Nance isn't one of those.

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I'm very confident in saying nobody knows how he would respond. It may work.

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wilmwolf said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Glasswolf said:

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Some pitchers don't pitch well as a starter. Some are just built to come out of the bull pen. Anyone remember Evan Justice starting 4 games in 2021? He then moved to the pen and the rest is history. He was lights out as a relief pitcher

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The pitchers for Miami this weekend are another example of that. Inverse can be true too, Highfill & Whitaker were way better as starters than out of bullpen

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Same discussion seemingly every year, and I should know better than to wade into it. IMO this team needs at minimum 3-4 innings from Andrews on the weekend, if/until SVD, Smith, and Consiglio regain last year's form. The coaching staff has, to this point, felt that those innings were best from him as a starter. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Nance's capabilities as a starter, and more than likely Andrews capability as a reliever. If they trust both Andrews and Nance as a starter, but don't trust Andrews as a reliever, then they've had no choice but to bring Nance out of the pen to this point. Otherwise you're throwing Schaffner or Dudan two or three times every weekend like we were before Nance started his current tear. Someone has to get you 27 outs. Doesn't really matter if your starter gets you 18 outs if you can't get the rest. There's ~6 guys right now that have proven trustworthy this season. If you get more guys you trust, then you can move things around more, and maybe they'll do that this weekend. I think all things considered, given injuries and guys falling off, they've done a really good job managing pitching this year. Not perfect, but good.

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wilmwolf said:

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For the millionth time, please, please, stop responding to my posts. I haven't posted here in months, and the first time I do, here you are. I'm not discussing this, or anything, with you. I did not and will not respond to your posts as I've had you on ignore for years, I beg you to do the same. There's nothing on the good Lord's green earth that I care to hear your opinion on. You've won, I've largely moved on from this place, please stop responding to me. Thank you.

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Alex Gee said:

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CLTWolf said:

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wilmwolf said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Some pitchers don't pitch well as a starter. Some are just built to come out of the bull pen. Anyone remember Evan Justice starting 4 games in 2021? He then moved to the pen and the rest is history. He was lights out as a relief pitcher

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The pitchers for Miami this weekend are another example of that. Inverse can be true too, Highfill & Whitaker were way better as starters than out of bullpen

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Same discussion seemingly every year, and I should know better than to wade into it. IMO this team needs at minimum 3-4 innings from Andrews on the weekend, if/until SVD, Smith, and Consiglio regain last year's form. The coaching staff has, to this point, felt that those innings were best from him as a starter. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Nance's capabilities as a starter, and more than likely Andrews capability as a reliever. If they trust both Andrews and Nance as a starter, but don't trust Andrews as a reliever, then they've had no choice but to bring Nance out of the pen to this point. Otherwise you're throwing Schaffner or Dudan two or three times every weekend like we were before Nance started his current tear. Someone has to get you 27 outs. Doesn't really matter if your starter gets you 18 outs if you can't get the rest. There's ~6 guys right now that have proven trustworthy this season. If you get more guys you trust, then you can move things around more, and maybe they'll do that this weekend. I think all things considered, given injuries and guys falling off, they've done a really good job managing pitching this year. Not perfect, but good.

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Andrews averages going 4.2 innings/game. So we're getting 4-5 innings from Heath each start, and in only 3 of his 12 starts did Heath not get out of the 4th inning.

As someone else said above, Nance's stuff plays up better out of the pen than Andrews. I'm all for Anderson getting a starting nod but I'd really like to keep that arm in the pen if at all possible.

Nance and Shaffner have big arms and can give you 3-5 innings to go long, if needed. Hasn't really been needed much since our weekend guys routinely pitch into the 5th or 6th innings. Fritton and Marohn average into the 6th inning so that leaves Clint with lots of options, IMO.

Get SVD some more innings to dust off the rust and get Consiglio to throw strikes (I know)...we'll have some options, for sure.

Nance has had to relieve Andrews "early" twice, against Cal and Duke where he went 5 innings after getting 4 innings from Andrews. Nance relieved Consiglio twice to go 5 innings as well.

Feels like we're just trying to find something to talk about instead of letting Chrysler do his thing and trust that it works. More often than not, it's worked, Clint is good at his job.

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This is why it's not as simple as flipping Nance and Andrews, IMO, and why I don't understand why folks (SF01) keeps saying they're splitting the same games. The staff clearly is inserting him into the long relief spot regardless of who the starter is. He's pitched behind Fritton multiple times as well as Marohn.

I personally don't think it's that hard of a concept to understand. Having the flexibility is really nice. That kind of arm in the bullpen has carried UNC, Duke, etc. for years. and is why Nance has 7 wins on the year.

It's always been about the emergence of another arm before having the conversation of Nance starting.

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Jtilley said:

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Hell I think Shaff has the profile to start as well but not everyone can start.

Letting a guy like Andrews get through a lineup even two times with minimum damage is a plus plus IMO and gives you more flexibility in the pen. We've seen all the starters get hit this year and it isn't a guarantee that Nance wouldn't either if he is sitting 92-95 instead of 94-97 out of the pen.

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Jtilley said:

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Hell I think Shaff has the profile to start as well but not everyone can start.

Letting a guy like Andrews get through a lineup even two times with minimum damage is a plus plus IMO and gives you more flexibility in the pen. We've seen all the starters get hit this year and it isn't a guarantee that Nance wouldn't either if he is sitting 92-95 instead of 94-97 out of the pen.

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