#Pack9 @ Notre Dame 5/4-6 (7-9 loss, 5-1 win, 6-1 win)

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Daviewolf83 said:

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The production of the broadcast of these games from ND has been so awful. It's like a high school AV club. Makes me appreciate what Andrew Sanders does for us even more.
It was funny when they did not even notice that Dom had replaced Highfill. They were definitely high school level. Andrew is really good, so we are a little spoiled from that standpoint.
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Proud of the team for not letting Thursday decide their season. We've got all the potential to go on a run. Let's do it.
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Daviewolf83 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

The production of the broadcast of these games from ND has been so awful. It's like a high school AV club. Makes me appreciate what Andrew Sanders does for us even more.
It was funny when they did not even notice that Dom had replaced Highfill. They were definitely high school level. Andrew is really good, so we are a little spoiled from that standpoint.


You mean Dom Fitton as the ACC network guys called him on Thursday? Lol. The guys today never acknowledged any of the changes in the field after Nolan came in, and kept saying Soles was in right field. Camera work was terrible, screen graphics were wrong - some of that happens on our broadcasts too, but Andrew always keeps things straight.
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Hell of a series boys! Well done
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wilmwolf80 said:

Daviewolf83 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

The production of the broadcast of these games from ND has been so awful. It's like a high school AV club. Makes me appreciate what Andrew Sanders does for us even more.
It was funny when they did not even notice that Dom had replaced Highfill. They were definitely high school level. Andrew is really good, so we are a little spoiled from that standpoint.


You mean Dom Fitton as the ACC network guys called him on Thursday? Lol. The guys today never acknowledged any of the changes in the field after Nolan came in, and kept saying Soles was in right field. Camera work was terrible, screen graphics were wrong - some of that happens on our broadcasts too, but Andrew always keeps things straight.


What position did Soles move to in the 8th inning?
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Really great response by the boys today. 4-2 the rest of the way is very doable if they play like they did the last 2 days
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I40Wolf said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Daviewolf83 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

The production of the broadcast of these games from ND has been so awful. It's like a high school AV club. Makes me appreciate what Andrew Sanders does for us even more.
It was funny when they did not even notice that Dom had replaced Highfill. They were definitely high school level. Andrew is really good, so we are a little spoiled from that standpoint.


You mean Dom Fitton as the ACC network guys called him on Thursday? Lol. The guys today never acknowledged any of the changes in the field after Nolan came in, and kept saying Soles was in right field. Camera work was terrible, screen graphics were wrong - some of that happens on our broadcasts too, but Andrew always keeps things straight.


What position did Soles move to in the 8th inning?


Left. We've taken Marcy out for Nolan late as a defensive replacement the past few games and moved TC over to right.
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Way to slam the door fellas!
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The ACC network is a crisis. Hell the entire conference is a crisis.
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BigLefty24 said:

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I just like taking your chances with Soles. Glad we're finally making some defensive plays we've been seemingly missing all year.
They gave Soles a chance, but he got into a 2 strike count. I don't know the numbers, but I imagine the hit rate left on left with two strikes is very, very low. So why not try to make something happen? Made ND make a play and they did.

Echo on the defense.


Still disagree on Soles striking out often. Stealing home is a low per cent age play. Soles had a better chance to drive in the run. Water under the bridge now. Need 9 outs now.


I loved the call. You're up multiple runs late, you're in a two strike two out count left on lefty. Perfect time to try and steal a run there. Hell, Tampa Bay did the same exact thing to the Red Sox in the MLB playoffs.






You and I coach differently. I would never take the bat out the hands of probably the guy that strikes out least with a lead with a runner on third. I MIGHT think about it in the bottom of the ninth, down a run or tied against a pitcher that was dominating us and with a high strike out guy at the plate. I think Candelaria likely was anxious and left a little early on the play. The runner on first needs to get the pitcher's attention, then the runner on third has a better chance. I doubt it was a straight steal. He made a great effort. Not sure he was out, but I wouldn't do that then, ever. Not with Soles batting.
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Alex Gee said:

I40Wolf said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Daviewolf83 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

The production of the broadcast of these games from ND has been so awful. It's like a high school AV club. Makes me appreciate what Andrew Sanders does for us even more.
It was funny when they did not even notice that Dom had replaced Highfill. They were definitely high school level. Andrew is really good, so we are a little spoiled from that standpoint.


You mean Dom Fitton as the ACC network guys

called him on Thursday? Lol. The guys today never acknowledged any of the changes in the field after Nolan came in, and kept saying Soles was in right field. Camera work was terrible, screen graphics were wrong - some of that happens on our broadcasts too, but Andrew always keeps things straight.






What position did Soles move to in the 8th inning?


Left. We've taken Marcy out for Nolan late as a defensive replacement the past few games and moved TC over to right.


Never would have known that by listening to them.
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Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
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WarrenNolan.com has us a favorite to take 2/3 from the cheats
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tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
The rundown/double steal in 1st and 3rd scenario with two outs is used pretty frequently in college baseball. Pretty sure we scored on it in the Clemson series and UVA scored on it in our series against them.

Theres's an example in this thread of the Rays doing it in the playoffs.

ETA: Was definitely one of our runs at ECU as well.
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EA is 7 wins away from 1,000 at NC State
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Big series win. I just lurk and dont really follow closely, but know this was a stayin alive type series.
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Glasswolf said:

EA is 7 wins away from 1,000 at NC State


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What is the etiology of EG by the way?
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tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
You weren't playing on a full sized field in middle school? I was.
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CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
You weren't playing on a full sized field in middle school? I was.


The word "about" was used here to show an estimation. Guess I should have said 12 or 11 instead. Guessing you knew that though.

I gave up any baseball dreams once the field got big and I realized i wasn't any good. Switched to golf and never looked back. Couple of State Championships proved that was probably a good decision on my part… baseball is hard
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tau06 said:

CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
You weren't playing on a full sized field in middle school? I was.


The word "about" was used here to show an estimation. Guess I should have said 12 or 11 instead. Guessing you knew that though.

I gave up any baseball dreams once the field got big and I realized i wasn't any good. Switched to golf and never looked back. Couple of State Championships proved that was probably a good decision on my part… baseball is hard
Good for you, golf is quite hard as well. I don't know anything about it.

Point is, trying to steal home (using a delayed double steal) is something every team has in the "playbook" on all levels. Some coaches obviously have different opinions on when to use it, etc. As Alex Gee pointed out, we've done this a couple times this year and they worked and no one seemed to belly ache about it then. It worked, we scored, and everyone moved on to the next thing to piss and moan about. haha

The best time to use a delayed double steal is later in the game, with two outs (2 strikes too) and most of the time (like another poster mentioned) you want to do it with a poor hitter up. I don't mind doing it with a guy like Soles b/c the other team would probably least expect it and he's going to be your leadoff hitter the next inning.

Here's one from this year and it wasn't even a delayed double and the pitcher was a righty too. Yesterday the pitcher was a lefty which is a better situation (duh, right?).



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CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
You weren't playing on a full sized field in middle school? I was.


The word "about" was used here to show an estimation. Guess I should have said 12 or 11 instead. Guessing you knew that though.

I gave up any baseball dreams once the field got big and I realized i wasn't any good. Switched to golf and never looked back. Couple of State Championships proved that was probably a good decision on my part… baseball is hard
Good for you, golf is quite hard as well. I don't know anything about it.

Point is, trying to steal home (using a delayed double steal) is something every team has in the "playbook" on all levels. Some coaches obviously have different opinions on when to use it, etc. As Alex Gee pointed out, we've done this a couple times this year and they worked and no one seemed to belly ache about it then. It worked, we scored, and everyone moved on to the next thing to piss and moan about. haha

The best time to use a delayed double steal is later in the game, with two outs (2 strikes too) and most of the time (like another poster mentioned) you want to do it with a poor hitter up. I don't mind doing it with a guy like Soles b/c the other team would probably least expect it and he's going to be your leadoff hitter the next inning.

Here's one from this year and it wasn't even a delayed double and the pitcher was a righty too. Yesterday the pitcher was a lefty which is a better situation (duh, right?).






The whole idea on that play is to get the lefty pitcher to see the runner on first take off and throw to first. That gets the runner from 3rd home who is taking off as well. ND pitcher was smart enough to know what we were trying to bait him into doing and made the correct play.
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Kmcpack said:

CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
You weren't playing on a full sized field in middle school? I was.


The word "about" was used here to show an estimation. Guess I should have said 12 or 11 instead. Guessing you knew that though.

I gave up any baseball dreams once the field got big and I realized i wasn't any good. Switched to golf and never looked back. Couple of State Championships proved that was probably a good decision on my part… baseball is hard
Good for you, golf is quite hard as well. I don't know anything about it.

Point is, trying to steal home (using a delayed double steal) is something every team has in the "playbook" on all levels. Some coaches obviously have different opinions on when to use it, etc. As Alex Gee pointed out, we've done this a couple times this year and they worked and no one seemed to belly ache about it then. It worked, we scored, and everyone moved on to the next thing to piss and moan about. haha

The best time to use a delayed double steal is later in the game, with two outs (2 strikes too) and most of the time (like another poster mentioned) you want to do it with a poor hitter up. I don't mind doing it with a guy like Soles b/c the other team would probably least expect it and he's going to be your leadoff hitter the next inning.

Here's one from this year and it wasn't even a delayed double and the pitcher was a righty too. Yesterday the pitcher was a lefty which is a better situation (duh, right?).






The whole idea on that play is to get the lefty pitcher to see the runner on first take off and throw to first. That gets the runner from 3rd home who is taking off as well. ND pitcher was smart enough to know what we were trying to bait him into doing and made the correct play.
I'm aware. No one said the play works every time. lol
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Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
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ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Man he battled. Looked dead in the 3rd inning. Got up over 50 pitches, walked the bases loaded on 8-9 straight balls that weren't really close. Got behind 2-0 and worked an easy fly ball to CF. I thought he was done right there. Ended up getting through 2 more innings with their only hit from then on being a bunt down 3rd base line.

Wasn't quite "vintage" but you can easily picture a scenario where he and Matt turn on some of the magic they did back in 2021.
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Alex Gee said:

ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Man he battled. Looked dead in the 3rd inning. Got up over 50 pitches, walked the bases loaded on 8-9 straight balls that weren't really close. Got behind 2-0 and worked an easy fly ball to CF. I thought he was done right there. Ended up getting through 2 more innings with their only hit from then on being a bunt down 3rd base line.

Wasn't quite "vintage" but you can easily picture a scenario where he and Matt turn on some of the magic they did back in 2021.
You just gotta let him work through it, which he did. I think that was really good for him too.
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ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Look at his last 3 outings, all starts, and he's been damn good.

But let's not act like this was my opinion alone. Several of us mentioned that we thought Sam would be better as a starter.
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CLTWolf said:

ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Look at his last 3 outings, all starts, and he's been damn good.

But let's not act like this was my opinion alone. Several of us mentioned that we thought Sam would be better as a starter.
Some of us thought it was the plan all along. It just took longer than we expected.
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Glasswolf said:

CLTWolf said:

ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Look at his last 3 outings, all starts, and he's been damn good.

But let's not act like this was my opinion alone. Several of us mentioned that we thought Sam would be better as a starter.
Some of us thought it was the plan all along. It just took longer than we expected.
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CLTWolf said:

ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Look at his last 3 outings, all starts, and he's been damn good.

But let's not act like this was my opinion alone. Several of us mentioned that we thought Sam would be better as a starter.
Truthfully I kept hearing that Sam's back was not 100% and that was why he physically couldn't start. You likely know more than I, but it's a bit annoying if Sam was able to start all year but the staff insisted on using him as a reliever. Makes you wonder how our season could have gone
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ClePack said:

CLTWolf said:

ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Look at his last 3 outings, all starts, and he's been damn good.

But let's not act like this was my opinion alone. Several of us mentioned that we thought Sam would be better as a starter.
Truthfully I kept hearing that Sam's back was not 100% and that was why he physically couldn't start. You likely know more than I, but it's a bit annoying if Sam was able to start all year but the staff insisted on using him as a reliever. Makes you wonder how our season could have gone
Pretty sure that's accurate, it had been posted here as well. You wouldn't want to put him out there with no restrictions/pitch count anyways. Seems like 50 pitches was the limit for him until he was ready to stretch it out.

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ClePack said:

CLTWolf said:

ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Look at his last 3 outings, all starts, and he's been damn good.

But let's not act like this was my opinion alone. Several of us mentioned that we thought Sam would be better as a starter.
Truthfully I kept hearing that Sam's back was not 100% and that was why he physically couldn't start. You likely know more than I, but it's a bit annoying if Sam was able to start all year but the staff insisted on using him as a reliever. Makes you wonder how our season could have gone
While I have no doubt this was true, they did not treat him like a guy managing an injury of any sort. Why did he throw twice in the same day? If a guy is dealing with an injury, it makes more sense to start him even if you're only getting 3-4 innings if the goal is to keep him healthy, which it should be.

In regards to his injury, I'm guessing it's one of those deals where it's never going to be 100%, just have to manage it and handle pain tolerance.
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EthanBarry said:

ClePack said:

CLTWolf said:

ClePack said:

Couldn't watch any of the Saturday game, but I saw highfill started and pitched a quality start. Perhaps our man CLT was right... He's better suited in a starting role
Look at his last 3 outings, all starts, and he's been damn good.

But let's not act like this was my opinion alone. Several of us mentioned that we thought Sam would be better as a starter.
Truthfully I kept hearing that Sam's back was not 100% and that was why he physically couldn't start. You likely know more than I, but it's a bit annoying if Sam was able to start all year but the staff insisted on using him as a reliever. Makes you wonder how our season could have gone
While I have no doubt this was true, they did not treat him like a guy managing an injury of any sort. Why did he throw twice in the same day? If a guy is dealing with an injury, it makes more sense to start him even if you're only getting 3-4 innings if the goal is to keep him healthy, which it should be.

In regards to his injury, I'm guessing it's one of those deals where it's never going to be 100%, just have to manage it and handle pain tolerance.
They absolutely did treat him as such, IMO.

He threw 12 pitches in game one and 38 in game two against BC. 50 pitches. He threw over 50 pitches once until the ECU game and that was 58 against NJIT. He would've been out of the inning at 54 pitches that game but an error by Marcy (playing first) extended the inning. He throws 4 more pitches, gives up a double and gets pulled at 58.

*something else to keep in mind about that BC two appearances in one day deal is that we were up 6-2 when he entered the first game but the next inning we put up 6 more runs and it made no sense to put Sam back out there up 12-2. They wanted him to get some work and 12 pitches probably wasn't enough.
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Even starting, he was still around the fifty pitch mark until this past game. I've also noticed that he's gone to the sidearm slot very few times this year compared to in the past, and it's my guess he might be limiting that because of the potential for hurting the back, but that's purely a guess. I think we're better with him starting, but I also get the logic of trying to use him out of the pen also. Him starting really only works if Fritton is good out of the pen, otherwise it's the same issue we've had all year, which hasn't been starting pitching in my opinion. Starting him sooner doesn't fix fielding issues, or guys slumping at the plate either. It's good time for that all to start trending upward if possible.
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CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
You weren't playing on a full sized field in middle school? I was.


The word "about" was used here to show an estimation. Guess I should have said 12 or 11 instead. Guessing you knew that though.

I gave up any baseball dreams once the field got big and I realized i wasn't any good. Switched to golf and never looked back. Couple of State Championships proved that was probably a good decision on my part… baseball is hard
Good for you, golf is quite hard as well. I don't know anything about it.

Point is, trying to steal home (using a delayed double steal) is something every team has in the "playbook" on all levels. Some coaches obviously have different opinions on when to use it, etc. As Alex Gee pointed out, we've done this a couple times this year and they worked and no one seemed to belly ache about it then. It worked, we scored, and everyone moved on to the next thing to piss and moan about. haha

The best time to use a delayed double steal is later in the game, with two outs (2 strikes too) and most of the time (like another poster mentioned) you want to do it with a poor hitter up. I don't mind doing it with a guy like Soles b/c the other team would probably least expect it and he's going to be your leadoff hitter the next inning.

Here's one from this year and it wasn't even a delayed double and the pitcher was a righty too. Yesterday the pitcher was a lefty which is a better situation (duh, right?).






Fair. I'd say I've watched 70% of our games but missed the ones that we used it in. I certainly don't disagree that it's in the playbook so to speak but I just disagree it's a good call. Same as my opinion on bunts. It's a bad call even when it works. But that's just the statistician in me. Wish it would have worked this time!
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tau06 said:

CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

CLTWolf said:

tau06 said:

Alex Gee said:

Nairo said:

What in the hell fire was that?
Pretty common play in that situation. Lefty on the mound, send the guy on first to try to draw a throw/balk since the pitcher is staring him down. With two strikes in a left on left matchup, it's not a bad play at all.

Edit: Maybe not common, but useful. We frequently try to get in a rundown between first and second in that situation. Have scored on it a couple of times this year and been scored on by teams using it.


Trying to steal home in no way is ever common after about 13 year old ball when you move to a full size field…

Didn't burn us and we are rounding into form but coaching decisions in really important moments continues. Add this to the list with all the bunting we do with our 3/4/5 hitters. Just bad baseball.

2 of 3 is what we needed, keep it rolling against the cheats next week!

Pitching was outstanding the last two games. Let's keep it rolling!
You weren't playing on a full sized field in middle school? I was.


The word "about" was used here to show an estimation. Guess I should have said 12 or 11 instead. Guessing you knew that though.

I gave up any baseball dreams once the field got big and I realized i wasn't any good. Switched to golf and never looked back. Couple of State Championships proved that was probably a good decision on my part… baseball is hard
Good for you, golf is quite hard as well. I don't know anything about it.

Point is, trying to steal home (using a delayed double steal) is something every team has in the "playbook" on all levels. Some coaches obviously have different opinions on when to use it, etc. As Alex Gee pointed out, we've done this a couple times this year and they worked and no one seemed to belly ache about it then. It worked, we scored, and everyone moved on to the next thing to piss and moan about. haha

The best time to use a delayed double steal is later in the game, with two outs (2 strikes too) and most of the time (like another poster mentioned) you want to do it with a poor hitter up. I don't mind doing it with a guy like Soles b/c the other team would probably least expect it and he's going to be your leadoff hitter the next inning.

Here's one from this year and it wasn't even a delayed double and the pitcher was a righty too. Yesterday the pitcher was a lefty which is a better situation (duh, right?).






Fair. I'd say I've watched 70% of our games but missed the ones that we used it in. I certainly don't disagree that it's in the playbook so to speak but I just disagree it's a good call. Same as my opinion on bunts. It's a bad call even when it works. But that's just the statistician in me. Wish it would have worked this time!
This is a good discussion by the way, wanted to say that out front.

I think it's interesting that you mention stats. I tried to allude to the analytics of it a few posts back. I don't have the exact numbers and I'm not sure you could find them for college baseball, but in the majors this season, hitters in 2 strike counts are batting a median .166.

I am pretty confident that the staff knows what our 2-strike hitting percentage is and played to that number. Add in whatever their thoughts are on the left-on-left matchup + how the AB was going (3 takes and a swing and miss). Just speculating, but I think they played the higher odds, and it didn't work out.

ETA:Link to rundown scoring against ECU. 2 strike, 2 out scenario. Difference being the handiness of the pitcher. TC was just more aggressive than Trice was.


 
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