That's why you keep him in the lineup.

Borowolf10 said:

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I think Ciencin was trying to say a pitcher has been erratic this season but he said they had been "erotic" lmao.

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Almost as good as the guys up in Boston touting the kid from BC's "****ter".

ETA. It's censored lol. Slider/cutter combo. You can put two and two together

I feel like every weekend my biggest positive takeaway is Dom Fritton. He's going to be special for us. Assuming he adds 2-3 MPH like most guys do as they mature… sheesh

SportManagementEngineer said:

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I'm not sure why we moved Fritton to Friday night but I'd say the Evil Genius got this one right haha

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I think it's simply that he threw the least of the 3 starters that threw on Sunday. A rest issue.

I believe that play should end the Gino vs PG defense discussion.

SportManagementEngineer said:

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Ok I'll be that guy. Why is your Closer throwing this inning? You're up 11 runs.

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I imagine because he's already warm and the difference of 10-15 pitches won't make a difference for his appearance Sunday.

Alex Gee said:

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I believe that play should end the Gino vs PG defense discussion.

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Posting or mentioning stats is not a "Gino vs. PG defense discussion" unless others choose to make it that way.

NC State has not been a good defensive team for most of this season, and that is not exclusive to Green. Plenty of players needed to improve.

When they make the defensive plays within their skill and range, have a starting pitcher get them into the sixth inning or beyond, and get solid relief pitching (especially middle relief), NC State can play with anyone.

The Wolfpack was especially good at not wasting at-bats Friday against FSU.

Rob McLamb said:

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Alex Gee said:

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I believe that play should end the Gino vs PG defense discussion.

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Posting or mentioning stats is not a "Gino vs. PG defense discussion" unless others choose to make it that way.

NC State has not been a good defensive team for most of this season, and that is not exclusive to Green. Plenty of players needed to improve.

When they make the defensive plays within their skill and range, have a starting pitcher get them into the sixth inning or beyond, and get solid relief pitching (especially middle relief), NC State can play with anyone.

The Wolfpack was especially good at not wasting at-bats Friday against FSU.

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You never responded to me last week when you brought up Gino vs. PG and I pointed out that PG seemed to have limited range against Gino having to make really tough, rangy plays. Gino made two incredible plays with range tonight including the one I was citing above. I still believe stats need to be thrown out and go with the eye test when it comes to baseball defense. Why else would you bring up their fielding percentages if not to make it a debate?

And, FWIW, it feels like almost every costly error or misplay has happened at SS/LF this season.

Alex Gee said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Alex Gee said:

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I believe that play should end the Gino vs PG defense discussion.

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Posting or mentioning stats is not a "Gino vs. PG defense discussion" unless others choose to make it that way.

NC State has not been a good defensive team for most of this season, and that is not exclusive to Green. Plenty of players needed to improve.

When they make the defensive plays within their skill and range, have a starting pitcher get them into the sixth inning or beyond, and get solid relief pitching (especially middle relief), NC State can play with anyone.

The Wolfpack was especially good at not wasting at-bats Friday against FSU.

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You never responded to me last week when you brought up Gino vs. PG and I pointed out that PG seemed to have limited range against Gino having to make really tough, rangy plays. Gino made two incredible plays with range tonight including the one I was citing above. I still believe stats need to be thrown out and go with the eye test when it comes to baseball defense. Why else would you bring up their fielding percentages if not to make it a debate?

And, FWIW, it feels like almost every costly error or misplay has happened at SS/LF this season.

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1. Once again, I did not bring up "Gino vs. PG" but merely related the stats, which said that Green was not the only one making errors and that he, in fact, did not have the worst fielding percentage at that time.

As far as responding to you, I am not sure what you mean but I responded to a slew of posts while in Winston-Salem just last week.

2. I never throw stats out. I also think stats can go well with an eye test.

If you want to praise Groover's fielding, for example, look up when his last error was, how many chances he had defensively since his last error, or how many errorless games in a row he has. Who knows? It may confirm what you believe to be true.

3. I can't tell you how to feel nor can I rate your concept of what is or is not a "costly error." That is your criteria, and I cannot judge that because you are entitled to opinions. Opinions are relative, stats and the scoreboard are the truth.

I will say that often in baseball the total penalty for an error genuinely depends on more than the person that made the error. How many people were on base when it happened? What was the time of the game? What happened after the error? Did the pitcher not get outs afterward? It is nuanced.

But, once again, I don't begrudge you or anyone thinking a player should be benched, a player is this or that important, stats tell a portion of the story, or anything else. You are entitled to your opinion and you paid for this right to express those beliefs in these forums, so amen to you.

CLTWolf said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Alex Gee said:

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I believe that play should end the Gino vs PG defense discussion.

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Posting or mentioning stats is not a "Gino vs. PG defense discussion" unless others choose to make it that way.

NC State has not been a good defensive team for most of this season, and that is not exclusive to Green. Plenty of players needed to improve.

When they make the defensive plays within their skill and range, have a starting pitcher get them into the sixth inning or beyond, and get solid relief pitching (especially middle relief), NC State can play with anyone.

The Wolfpack was especially good at not wasting at-bats Friday against FSU.

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You never responded to me last week when you brought up Gino vs. PG and I pointed out that PG seemed to have limited range against Gino having to make really tough, rangy plays. Gino made two incredible plays with range tonight including the one I was citing above. I still believe stats need to be thrown out and go with the eye test when it comes to baseball defense. Why else would you bring up their fielding percentages if not to make it a debate?

And, FWIW, it feels like almost every costly error or misplay has happened at SS/LF this season.

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Thank you. Rob knew what he was doing and all the incredulity he can muster won't convince me otherwise. haha

Gino has made two errors over the last month and one of those was questionable (against Louisville). Kid has played clean in the field and started to get hot at the plate.

When Nolan and Candelaria are in CF and RF we get clean play out there. I don't think Noah Soles is some defensive stalwart but he was consistent and made the easy plays each game, we miss that. Marcy, Trice and Nixon are some adventurous defenders out there. haha

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Lies

CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Alex Gee said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Alex Gee said:

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I believe that play should end the Gino vs PG defense discussion.

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Posting or mentioning stats is not a "Gino vs. PG defense discussion" unless others choose to make it that way.

NC State has not been a good defensive team for most of this season, and that is not exclusive to Green. Plenty of players needed to improve.

When they make the defensive plays within their skill and range, have a starting pitcher get them into the sixth inning or beyond, and get solid relief pitching (especially middle relief), NC State can play with anyone.

The Wolfpack was especially good at not wasting at-bats Friday against FSU.

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You never responded to me last week when you brought up Gino vs. PG and I pointed out that PG seemed to have limited range against Gino having to make really tough, rangy plays. Gino made two incredible plays with range tonight including the one I was citing above. I still believe stats need to be thrown out and go with the eye test when it comes to baseball defense. Why else would you bring up their fielding percentages if not to make it a debate?

And, FWIW, it feels like almost every costly error or misplay has happened at SS/LF this season.

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Thank you. Rob knew what he was doing and all the incredulity he can muster won't convince me otherwise. haha

Gino has made two errors over the last month and one of those was questionable (against Louisville). Kid has played clean in the field and started to get hot at the plate.

When Nolan and Candelaria are in CF and RF we get clean play out there. I don't think Noah Soles is some defensive stalwart but he was consistent and made the easy plays each game, we miss that. Marcy, Trice and Nixon are some adventurous defenders out there. haha

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Poor fella. Making up narratives. It must have broke your heart when you found out the tooth fairy was not real.

CLTWolf said:

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Logan Whitaker on the mound tomorrow for NC State

— Bryan Pyrtle (@bryanpyrtle) April 15, 2023

Logan's last 3 starts before Wake he pitched into the 6th inning of each game. Be nice to get 6 or 7 out of him tomorrow to keep that bullpen fresh.

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Agree. I think this probably means we see Logan, Sam, and Baker if necessary tomorrow. Matt and J Law to finish Sunday with all hands available for a batter/inning except for Baker (thinking he has to go Tuesday).

As much as I hate baseball hyperbole, this is certainly one of the more important games of the season for NC State. As an observer, there was always going to be some pointing to this part of NC State's schedule. Now it is here. This is where the run needs to start. If they lose Saturday and/or Sunday it won't be impossible to advance to the postseason but going forward a lot of wiggle room would have been lost. The Wolfpack needs to step on FSU's throat, as they did Friday.

Plus, this is probably as down of an FSU team as you will ever get. Once Jarrett gets them going, they will be a handful for the league.