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How that's fielding percentage looking on that last pop fly?

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You figure it out, or click the link I provided when the game ends.

Don't make a production about it. I said he had a higher fielding percentage than Groover. Don't act like I said the kid was Ozzie Smith.

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Don't get defensive (pun intended) Rob, but you came with the troll job to start all this. LOL!

How many runs has Payton Green's mental errors cost the Wolfpack over the last 3 or 4 weekends? 6 or more, at least.

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He cost them 5 just on Tuesday alone.

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Sht, I even forgot about the midweek game.

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Forgot about that, too. Don't know if we blame him or Trice, but either way, pack has a good chance of winning that game if that error doesn't happen.

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what?

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How that's fielding percentage looking on that last pop fly?

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You figure it out, or click the link I provided when the game ends.

Don't make a production about it. I said he had a higher fielding percentage than Groover. Don't act like I said the kid was Ozzie Smith.

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Don't get defensive (pun intended) Rob, but you came with the troll job to start all this. LOL!

How many runs has Payton Green's mental errors cost the Wolfpack over the last 3 or 4 weekends? 6 or more, at least.

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He cost them 5 just on Tuesday alone.

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Sht, I even forgot about the midweek game.

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Forgot about that, too. Don't know if we blame him or Trice, but either way, pack has a good chance of winning that game if that error doesn't happen.

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The SS takes that ball every time with regards to where it was. The LF has to come in on a dead sprint to reach and all Green had to do was move to his right just a hair. He has to call off the LFer there.

Need to give Kalae some innings at SS in the midweek game. Let PG DH or put him at 2nd.

My guy Packsd14me has it nailed I think. PG is an OF but I think he can pull off 3rd.

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I think he could do 3B as well. I guess we'll see what Avent decides.

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what?

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How that's fielding percentage looking on that last pop fly?

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You figure it out, or click the link I provided when the game ends.

Don't make a production about it. I said he had a higher fielding percentage than Groover. Don't act like I said the kid was Ozzie Smith.

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Don't get defensive (pun intended) Rob, but you came with the troll job to start all this. LOL!

How many runs has Payton Green's mental errors cost the Wolfpack over the last 3 or 4 weekends? 6 or more, at least.

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That is an outright lie.

I merely stated that he had a better fielding percentage. Nothing more or less.

If his defense is a problem, then the entire left side of the infield is a problem, because he was the better of the two statistically at that point.

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I've watched almost every pitch thrown this season. I can't remember an instance where Gino has botched a routine play. I think one of his errors was the ripped liner over the bag against Louisville that shouldn't have been scored that way. The others were really tough throws on bunt coverage. I don't have the time or energy to go back and look, but I'm pretty confident in that.

This is an instance where stats should be thrown out. PG hasn't been good defensively and that's inarguable from watching the games. He doesn't have many, if any throwing errors which is why is percentage is high. A lot of balls he gets to and bobbles are scored as infield hits. We lack the range we've had in the past at that position.

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Same. Green's range is limited and this year he's had the luxury of a 6'6 first baseman that's played the position before to bail out some of his errant throws that would've not been handled last year.

Gino has been extremely steady all year. The trolling of him is unfounded.

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6-3 Wake Final

Hahaha at the last play of the game. This team isn't necessarily helping itself but this has been the unluckiest 2 month stretch I've ever seen for a baseball team.

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Hahaha at the last play of the game. This team isn't necessarily helping itself but this has been the unluckiest 2 month stretch I've ever seen for a baseball team.

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A little bit of bad luck but we've just played better teams that don't beat themselves like we have, IMO. Top teams play clean baseball and we haven't been playing clean baseball against these top 10 teams.

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agree 100%. would have many more wins if we could just play clean.

5-9 after 14 conference games. Would need to go 10-5 these final 15 to get to 15-14.

We'll need to better for sure but I think it's still doable.

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what?

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How that's fielding percentage looking on that last pop fly?

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You figure it out, or click the link I provided when the game ends.

Don't make a production about it. I said he had a higher fielding percentage than Groover. Don't act like I said the kid was Ozzie Smith.

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Don't get defensive (pun intended) Rob, but you came with the troll job to start all this. LOL!

How many runs has Payton Green's mental errors cost the Wolfpack over the last 3 or 4 weekends? 6 or more, at least.

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That is an outright lie.

I merely stated that he had a better fielding percentage. Nothing more or less.

If his defense is a problem, then the entire left side of the infield is a problem, because he was the better of the two statistically at that point.

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I've watched almost every pitch thrown this season. I can't remember an instance where Gino has botched a routine play. I think one of his errors was the ripped liner over the bag against Louisville that shouldn't have been scored that way. The others were really tough throws on bunt coverage. I don't have the time or energy to go back and look, but I'm pretty confident in that.

This is an instance where stats should be thrown out. PG hasn't been good defensively and that's inarguable from watching the games. He doesn't have many, if any throwing errors which is why is percentage is high. A lot of balls he gets to and bobbles are scored as infield hits. We lack the range we've had in the past at that position.

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Same. Green's range is limited and this year he's had the luxury of a 6'6 first baseman that's played the position before to bail out some of his errant throws that would've not been handled last year.

Gino has been extremely steady all year. The trolling of him is unfounded.

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Groover struggled at the plate earlier in the season but he's coming on (as most knew he would). No one should troll him, then or now.

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Hahaha at the last play of the game. This team isn't necessarily helping itself but this has been the unluckiest 2 month stretch I've ever seen for a baseball team.

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I've seen worse luck for NC State baseball, and it often blows my mind.

The 2023 team is a hop, skip, and a jump away from elite in my opinion.

NEEDS

1. Consistent middle relief: It's times like this that I am reminded of how important Evan Justice was.

2. Clean play in the field: Yes, that includes Payton Green.

3. Leveling things up against lesser competition: The next six weekends (five in conference) represent a real chance for NC State to sort itself and build confidence.

This thing is miles away from the finish line.

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1. Consistent middle relief: It's times like this that I am reminded of how important Evan Justice was.

• Ain't just Evan Justice missing as a closer but we don't have multiple long relief arms. Grant Sasser, Andrew Woeck, John Easley and Ryan Wilkins ain't walking through that door. Guys like Will Gilbert and Joe O'Donnell are missing from this team. If we had those arms with this starting pitching we'd be in business.

2. Clean play in the field: Yes, that includes Payton Green.

• Yep

3. Leveling things up against lesser competition: The next six weekends (five in conference) represent a real chance for NC State to sort itself and build confidence.

• The next two series are against teams below us in the standings. ND is after that and just above us so we've got a real shot to get some wins especially with two of those series being at home. We need to stack wins.

#1 is what troubles me most due to lack of strike throwing arms at this point. I really think we need to put Sam back into the weekend rotation where he's most comfortable. But that's just me.

I agree-baseball is a sport where you can get hot and go

WF is a very good team

Feel like most of the losses this year are carbon copies of one another. An error or misplayed ball here, a relief appearance filled with back to back walks there, and then State is in a 3 run hole or blowing a lead. Just missed opportunity after missed opportunity.

Would really like to see Highfill get a shot at a mid-week start or a Sunday start. We've got to start getting more productive innings from one of the best pitchers on the staff.

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Feel like most of the losses this year are carbon copies of one another. An error or misplayed ball here, a relief appearance filled with back to back walks there, and then State is in a 3 run hole or blowing a lead. Just missed opportunity after missed opportunity.

Would really like to see Highfill get a shot at a mid-week start or a Sunday start. We've got to start getting more productive innings from one of the best pitchers on the staff.

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Here's my thing with Highfill at this point. You move to a weekend starter and replace who? Our three weekend starters have been (for the most part) consistent and given us chances to win. It always seems to go south once they're out. Personally, it is the three starters that give me hope for a postseason run.

Fritton in the Evan Justice role anyone?

Maybe his stuff plays up in the bullpen. Seems like he is lights out first time through a lineup but gets in some trouble (relatively) once his PC hits 50 or so.

Genuine question, just wondering what everyone else thought.

100% agree that the starters haven't been the issue, but we've had super limited options out of the pen all year. Not really sure what other option there is to fix the bullpen other than adjusting some of the roles.

At this point we're 5-9 in league play and it seems like the same issues keep popping up every single game. I just don't think we have much to lose to try and throw Highfill in a mid-week or on a Sunday to see if him starting can be an option (unless his back just won't allow him to go too many innings in a single outing), and then allowing one of the current starters to try the "long-man out of the pen" role.

thank you, makes sense to me everything you said

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100% agree that the starters haven't been the issue, but we've had super limited options out of the pen all year. Not really sure what other option there is to fix the bullpen other than adjusting some of the roles.

At this point we're 5-9 in league play and it seems like the same issues keep popping up every single game. I just don't think we have much to lose to try and throw Highfill in a mid-week or on a Sunday to see if him starting can be an option (unless his back just won't allow him to go too many innings in a single outing), and then allowing one of the current starters to try the "long-man out of the pen" role.

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I've been quite vocal in that I think Sam should get back into the weekend rotation as (IMO) he's best utilized there. It's also my opinion that he's more comfortable as a starter but that's just my opinion.

Other things that will help us are:

• Rio Britton needs to find the strike zone. Last year at Oregon he only issued 20 walks in 39.1 innings so we know he has shown the ability to throw strikes before. You can tell that Clint is quite frustrated with him with each mound visit.
• Payton Green. What to do with him...it's all mental at this point. Dropping that fly ball yesterday was a lack of focus. He's got to get his mind right.
• This obviously isn't an immediate one but I think we need to look at our pitching recruiting. It's either recruiting or what we're doing once they're on campus. There's no way that Wake should be sending out 3 dudes pumpin' 95 in the zone in one game and we maybe have one that can do that, total.

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How that's fielding percentage looking on that last pop fly?

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You figure it out, or click the link I provided when the game ends.

Don't make a production about it. I said he had a higher fielding percentage than Groover. Don't act like I said the kid was Ozzie Smith.

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Don't get defensive (pun intended) Rob, but you came with the troll job to start all this. LOL!

How many runs has Payton Green's mental errors cost the Wolfpack over the last 3 or 4 weekends? 6 or more, at least.

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He cost them 5 just on Tuesday alone.

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Sht, I even forgot about the midweek game.

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Forgot about that, too. Don't know if we blame him or Trice, but either way, pack has a good chance of winning that game if that error doesn't happen.

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The SS takes that ball every time with regards to where it was. The LF has to come in on a dead sprint to reach and all Green had to do was move to his right just a hair. He has to call off the LFer there.

Need to give Kalae some innings at SS in the midweek game. Let PG DH or put him at 2nd.

My guy Packsd14me has it nailed I think. PG is an OF but I think he can pull off 3rd.

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I don't know if I have it nailed but as I said last week, I have seen lots of guys want to SS. He needs to move where he thinks less. RF would be the spot for me to give him a try.

He just isn't sure of himself at all. SS has to be the best fielder on the field all the time. It is by far the hardest, most important non-pitcher spot to play if you want to win. Catcher is a close second. PG doesn't get to enough balls at SS, doesn't field enough balls that he reaches and isn't in the right place often enough. He just isn't a good SS right now. Playing on that plastic at WF should make it easier, no bad hops. He still struggled. He can play deeper (what PG likes) because the ball gets to you faster. He should be more comfortable at WF.

I do think PG could be a 3-hole hitter. Put him in RF. The money position for outfielders in the MLB. He can run, he has the arm, and he can hit for power and average, if he relaxes. It could be the best thing for him.

I will say Rob's stats about fielding are pretty telling. Only 15 more chances at SS than 3b in 31 games. PG is not getting to enough balls. Fielding percentage is not the important part of those stats. Getting to more balls, even if he makes even more errors, is what I want to see.

Here is my point from a long time ago.

SS Don Kessinger Cubs SS has the highest fielding percentage in the NL and wins the Gold Glove.
SS Bud Harrelson Mets SS leads his team, Seaver, Koosman, Nolan Ryan pitchers to the World Series. He made more errors but he had like 400 more chances. There was a big argument as to who was the better SS. Most people sided with Harrelson because his teams won more and his defense was a big part of why they won.

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what?

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How that's fielding percentage looking on that last pop fly?

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You figure it out, or click the link I provided when the game ends.

Don't make a production about it. I said he had a higher fielding percentage than Groover. Don't act like I said the kid was Ozzie Smith.

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Don't get defensive (pun intended) Rob, but you came with the troll job to start all this. LOL!

How many runs has Payton Green's mental errors cost the Wolfpack over the last 3 or 4 weekends? 6 or more, at least.

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He cost them 5 just on Tuesday alone.

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Sht, I even forgot about the midweek game.

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Forgot about that, too. Don't know if we blame him or Trice, but either way, pack has a good chance of winning that game if that error doesn't happen.

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The SS takes that ball every time with regards to where it was. The LF has to come in on a dead sprint to reach and all Green had to do was move to his right just a hair. He has to call off the LFer there.

Need to give Kalae some innings at SS in the midweek game. Let PG DH or put him at 2nd.

My guy Packsd14me has it nailed I think. PG is an OF but I think he can pull off 3rd.

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I don't know if I have it nailed but as I said last week, I have seen lots of guys want to SS. He needs to move where he thinks less. RF would be the spot for me to give him a try.

He just isn't sure of himself at all. SS has to be the best fielder on the field all the time. It is by far the hardest, most important non-pitcher spot to play if you want to win. Catcher is a close second. PG doesn't get to enough balls at SS, doesn't field enough balls that he reaches and isn't in the right place often enough. He just isn't a good SS right now. Playing on that plastic at WF should make it easier, no bad hops. He still struggled. He can play deeper (what PG likes) because the ball gets to you faster. He should be more comfortable at WF.

I do think PG could be a 3-hole hitter. Put him in RF. The money position for outfielders in the MLB. He can run, he has the arm, and he can hit for power and average, if he relaxes. It could be the best thing for him.

I will say Rob's stats about fielding are pretty telling. Only 15 more chances at SS than 3b in 31 games. PG is not getting to enough balls. Fielding percentage is not the important part of those stats. Getting to more balls, even if he makes even more errors, is what I want to see.

Here is my point from a long time ago.

SS Don Kessinger Cubs SS has the highest fielding percentage in the NL and wins the Gold Glove.
SS Bud Harrelson Mets SS leads his team, Seaver, Koosman, Nolan Ryan pitchers to the World Series. He made more errors but he had like 400 more chances. There was a big argument as to who was the better SS. Most people sided with Harrelson because his teams won more and his defense was a big part of why they won.

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Green didn't start at SS today (Tuesday vs. UNCW). Harrison is there. Matt Heavner at 2B.

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I saw and watched. Productive offensive day. Do like a day off for PG. He needs to rest and refresh. He has the long, lean body of an outfielder. Harrison made an error but he has quicker feet than PG. Heavner has soft hands. Haven't seen him enough at second to comment on him yet. Overall, good day all around for the Pack.