CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Of course, Boros released a statement saying Rocker is healthy. He is his agent. What else is he supposed to do? He is not going to put out a statement telling teams to stay away.

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I guess you're a Mets fan?

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Of course, Boros released a statement saying Rocker is healthy. He is his agent. What else is he supposed to do? He is not going to put out a statement telling teams to stay away.

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I guess you're a Mets fan?

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Yes, for the sake of transparency I actually did grow up a Mets fan.

This is not about the Mets though. Most teams in the MLB have had an issue like this with first-round picks at some point. The Phillies did not sign J.D. Drew and I know that was at least 20 years ago.

It is not a mess. It is common, but having it involve a New York sports team accentuates it for some reason. The same thing happens with "Bobby Bonilla Day" despite the Atlanta Braves once signing a contract with Bruce Sutter that was longer and worse.

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Sorry buddy, but this situation, is a mess. I don't care what team it is, Mets or Dodgers, whomever.

It isn't common. First round draft picks, especially those coming from 3 years in college sign. Very rarely do they not sign unless there's something wrong. I mean Kumar isn't going back to school, dude was ready to be a professional baseball player.

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Of course, Boros released a statement saying Rocker is healthy. He is his agent. What else is he supposed to do? He is not going to put out a statement telling teams to stay away.

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I guess you're a Mets fan?

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Yes, for the sake of transparency I actually did grow up a Mets fan.

This is not about the Mets though. Most teams in the MLB have had an issue like this with first-round picks at some point. The Phillies did not sign J.D. Drew and I know that was at least 20 years ago.

It is not a mess. It is common, but having it involve a New York sports team accentuates it for some reason. The same thing happens with "Bobby Bonilla Day" despite the Atlanta Braves once signing a contract with Bruce Sutter that was longer and worse.

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Sorry buddy, but this situation, is a mess. I don't care what team it is, Mets or Dodgers, whomever.

It isn't common. First round draft picks, especially those coming from 3 years in college sign. Very rarely do they not sign unless there's something wrong. I mean Kumar isn't going back to school, dude was ready to be a professional baseball player.

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No, it is not. It is not a mess to have two first-round picks. It is a mess to pay players if they don't play. New York paying Mo Vaughn over 90 million dollars to stay on the injured reserve for about seven years was a mess.

Plenty draft picks don't sign.

Brett Austin did not sign with the Padres and decided to attend NC State.

Appel (I can't remember his first name) did not sign (Pirates, I think), went back to Stanford, and then was picked with the top pick in the next draft by the Astros.

The next season the Astros had the top pick again, that time Houston did not sign their guy. One of the reasons that Carlos Rodon went to the White Sox is because Houston picked Brady Aiken. He went back into the draft and was picked lower in the next season's first-round by Cleveland.

I also know the Rays did not sign a first-round kid a few years ago and the guy went back to Oregon State because he had Tommy John surgery. While there, he got hurt and had Tommy John surgery a second time.

These are just off the top of my head.

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This situation is a bit of a mess. They lost around 1.3 mil and basically drafted a certain way for no reason now that they aren't signing their 1st rounder. They passed on some kids that they could've used that 1.3 mil on but instead they drafted a bunch of sign-able college players to make sure they had the money to sign Rocker.

Brett Austin was a HS kid. A HS kid who had a brother that had played in the minor leagues who told him to go to college. Riding buses and staying in crappy hotels could wait 3 years. His bro said go to college and have fun. Not really the same situation.

Mark Appel turned down the offer. The Pirates didn't choose not to sign him b/c of some perceived medical deal. Not the same. Rocker was ready to accept the 6 mil offer that the Mets offered him.

Brady Aiken, HS kid. This one might be a somewhat similar deal though Aiken was also actually hurt and had TJ surgery soon after. The next year they drafted Alex Bregman (stud) and Kyle Tucker so they did ok.

Rasmussen had 2 TJ surgeries, his first TJ came before he was drafted by the Rays. Rasmussen and the Rays also didn't agree on a deal unlike Rocker and the Mets. The Rays also took a chance on a kid that had already had one TJ deal and 2 months after he was drafted had another. Rasmussen had known arm trouble. The only issue with Rocker has been some decline in velo but that's it. Of course watch him have TJ or some other surgery in a month or two. I hope not, for his sake.

You've got 2 situations that could possibly be similar to what's going on here, either way it's definitely not common. To me, common is something that happens every year in the draft. Not including Rocker, only 2 other kids didn't sign in the top 10 rounds this year. So just 3 total and Rocker had a deal, until he didn't. Everyone signed in the 5 rounds of 2020. Only 1 kid didn't sign in the top 10 rounds of 2019. That's it. 3 kids didn't sign in the first round in 2018 and all 3 were HS kids. 4 total in the top 10 rounds didn't sign in 2018 so only 1 other kid besides the aforementioned 3. In 2017 only 3 kids in the top 10 rounds didn't sign. 2 were HS kids and the other was Rasmussen. Kids drafted in the first round sign unless something gets weird or goes wrong. Kids in the first 10 rounds sign, that's what's common.

I really don't care that it's the Mets, you're getting defensive b/c someone else made a Mets joke. I think you're letting that get in the way here. Which is cool, I totally get it. We all do it with our favorite teams and I'm guilty of it when it comes to NC State, badly. haha

All in all, it's not a huge deal b/c they do get another pick next year so it's not some long term crippling chain of events. They get two chances to draft two studs, like Rocker was this year.

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griff17matt said:

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BigLefty24 said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Of course, Boros released a statement saying Rocker is healthy. He is his agent. What else is he supposed to do? He is not going to put out a statement telling teams to stay away.

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I guess you're a Mets fan?

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Yes, for the sake of transparency I actually did grow up a Mets fan.

This is not about the Mets though. Most teams in the MLB have had an issue like this with first-round picks at some point. The Phillies did not sign J.D. Drew and I know that was at least 20 years ago.

It is not a mess. It is common, but having it involve a New York sports team accentuates it for some reason. The same thing happens with "Bobby Bonilla Day" despite the Atlanta Braves once signing a contract with Bruce Sutter that was longer and worse.

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Sorry buddy, but this situation, is a mess. I don't care what team it is, Mets or Dodgers, whomever.

It isn't common. First round draft picks, especially those coming from 3 years in college sign. Very rarely do they not sign unless there's something wrong. I mean Kumar isn't going back to school, dude was ready to be a professional baseball player.

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No, it is not. It is not a mess to have two first-round picks. It is a mess to pay players if they don't play. New York paying Mo Vaughn over 90 million dollars to stay on the injured reserve for about seven years was a mess.

Plenty draft picks don't sign.

Brett Austin did not sign with the Padres and decided to attend NC State.

Appel (I can't remember his first name) did not sign (Pirates, I think), went back to Stanford, and then was picked with the top pick in the next draft by the Astros.

The next season the Astros had the top pick again, that time Houston did not sign their guy. One of the reasons that Carlos Rodon went to the White Sox is because Houston picked Brady Aiken. He went back into the draft and was picked lower in the next season's first-round by Cleveland.

I also know the Rays did not sign a first-round kid a few years ago and the guy went back to Oregon State because he had Tommy John surgery. While there, he got hurt and had Tommy John surgery a second time.

These are just off the top of my head.

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It's a mess because they intentionally drafted kids in the remaining rounds that they could sign under slot so they could save money and pay him the $6M they had already agreed to pay him. So they basically diluted their entire draft to pay a kid and the didn't pay him. Terrible move.

And now they'll have to pay two first round picks next year, and won't have any available funds to pay kids in the later rounds because they've used all that money to pay their top two picks next year. They basically figured out a way to screw up two drafts.

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To be fair, I think every MLB team would give up picks 8-20 in order to get a shot at 2 first rounders who could be actual MLB players instead of minor league fodder. I see the point you're making though.

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Of course, Boros released a statement saying Rocker is healthy. He is his agent. What else is he supposed to do? He is not going to put out a statement telling teams to stay away.

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I guess you're a Mets fan?

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Yes, for the sake of transparency I actually did grow up a Mets fan.

This is not about the Mets though. Most teams in the MLB have had an issue like this with first-round picks at some point. The Phillies did not sign J.D. Drew and I know that was at least 20 years ago.

It is not a mess. It is common, but having it involve a New York sports team accentuates it for some reason. The same thing happens with "Bobby Bonilla Day" despite the Atlanta Braves once signing a contract with Bruce Sutter that was longer and worse.

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Sorry buddy, but this situation, is a mess. I don't care what team it is, Mets or Dodgers, whomever.

It isn't common. First round draft picks, especially those coming from 3 years in college sign. Very rarely do they not sign unless there's something wrong. I mean Kumar isn't going back to school, dude was ready to be a professional baseball player.

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No, it is not. It is not a mess to have two first-round picks. It is a mess to pay players if they don't play. New York paying Mo Vaughn over 90 million dollars to stay on the injured reserve for about seven years was a mess.

Plenty draft picks don't sign.

Brett Austin did not sign with the Padres and decided to attend NC State.

Appel (I can't remember his first name) did not sign (Pirates, I think), went back to Stanford, and then was picked with the top pick in the next draft by the Astros.

The next season the Astros had the top pick again, that time Houston did not sign their guy. One of the reasons that Carlos Rodon went to the White Sox is because Houston picked Brady Aiken. He went back into the draft and was picked lower in the next season's first-round by Cleveland.

I also know the Rays did not sign a first-round kid a few years ago and the guy went back to Oregon State because he had Tommy John surgery. While there, he got hurt and had Tommy John surgery a second time.

These are just off the top of my head.

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This situation is a bit of a mess. They lost around 1.3 mil and basically drafted a certain way for no reason now that they aren't signing their 1st rounder. They passed on some kids that they could've used that 1.3 mil on but instead they drafted a bunch of sign-able college players to make sure they had the money to sign Rocker.

Brett Austin was a HS kid. A HS kid who had a brother that had played in the minor leagues who told him to go to college. Riding buses and staying in crappy hotels could wait 3 years. His bro said go to college and have fun. Not really the same situation.

Mark Appel turned down the offer. The Pirates didn't choose not to sign him b/c of some perceived medical deal. Not the same. Rocker was ready to accept the 6 mil offer that the Mets offered him.

Brady Aiken, HS kid. This one might be a somewhat similar deal though Aiken was also actually hurt and had TJ surgery soon after. The next year they drafted Alex Bregman (stud) and Kyle Tucker so they did ok.

Rasmussen had 2 TJ surgeries, his first TJ came before he was drafted by the Rays. Rasmussen and the Rays also didn't agree on a deal unlike Rocker and the Mets. The Rays also took a chance on a kid that had already had one TJ deal and 2 months after he was drafted had another. Rasmussen had known arm trouble. The only issue with Rocker has been some decline in velo but that's it. Of course watch him have TJ or some other surgery in a month or two. I hope not, for his sake.

You've got 2 situations that could possibly be similar to what's going on here, either way it's definitely not common. To me, common is something that happens every year in the draft. Not including Rocker, only 2 other kids didn't sign in the top 10 rounds this year. So just 3 total and Rocker had a deal, until he didn't. Everyone signed in the 5 rounds of 2020. Only 1 kid didn't sign in the top 10 rounds of 2019. That's it. 3 kids didn't sign in the first round in 2018 and all 3 were HS kids. 4 total in the top 10 rounds didn't sign in 2018 so only 1 other kid besides the aforementioned 3. In 2017 only 3 kids in the top 10 rounds didn't sign. 2 were HS kids and the other was Rasmussen. Kids drafted in the first round sign unless something gets weird or goes wrong. Kids in the first 10 rounds sign, that's what's common.

I really don't care that it's the Mets, you're getting defensive b/c someone else made a Mets joke. I think you're letting that get in the way here. Which is cool, I totally get it. We all do it with our favorite teams and I'm guilty of it when it comes to NC State, badly. haha

All in all, it's not a huge deal b/c they do get another pick next year so it's not some long term crippling chain of events. They get two chances to draft two studs, like Rocker was this year.

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"I really don't care that it's the Mets, you're getting defensive b/c someone else made a Mets joke. I think you're letting that get in the way here. Which is cool, I totally get it. We all do it with our favorite teams and I'm guilty of it when it comes to NC State, badly. haha"

It has nothing to do with that. I don't even know all the players on the current Mets team.

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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Of course, Boros released a statement saying Rocker is healthy. He is his agent. What else is he supposed to do? He is not going to put out a statement telling teams to stay away.

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I guess you're a Mets fan?

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Yes, for the sake of transparency I actually did grow up a Mets fan.

This is not about the Mets though. Most teams in the MLB have had an issue like this with first-round picks at some point. The Phillies did not sign J.D. Drew and I know that was at least 20 years ago.

It is not a mess. It is common, but having it involve a New York sports team accentuates it for some reason. The same thing happens with "Bobby Bonilla Day" despite the Atlanta Braves once signing a contract with Bruce Sutter that was longer and worse.

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Sorry buddy, but this situation, is a mess. I don't care what team it is, Mets or Dodgers, whomever.

It isn't common. First round draft picks, especially those coming from 3 years in college sign. Very rarely do they not sign unless there's something wrong. I mean Kumar isn't going back to school, dude was ready to be a professional baseball player.

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No, it is not. It is not a mess to have two first-round picks. It is a mess to pay players if they don't play. New York paying Mo Vaughn over 90 million dollars to stay on the injured reserve for about seven years was a mess.

Plenty draft picks don't sign.

Brett Austin did not sign with the Padres and decided to attend NC State.

Appel (I can't remember his first name) did not sign (Pirates, I think), went back to Stanford, and then was picked with the top pick in the next draft by the Astros.

The next season the Astros had the top pick again, that time Houston did not sign their guy. One of the reasons that Carlos Rodon went to the White Sox is because Houston picked Brady Aiken. He went back into the draft and was picked lower in the next season's first-round by Cleveland.

I also know the Rays did not sign a first-round kid a few years ago and the guy went back to Oregon State because he had Tommy John surgery. While there, he got hurt and had Tommy John surgery a second time.

These are just off the top of my head.

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This situation is a bit of a mess. They lost around 1.3 mil and basically drafted a certain way for no reason now that they aren't signing their 1st rounder. They passed on some kids that they could've used that 1.3 mil on but instead they drafted a bunch of sign-able college players to make sure they had the money to sign Rocker.

Brett Austin was a HS kid. A HS kid who had a brother that had played in the minor leagues who told him to go to college. Riding buses and staying in crappy hotels could wait 3 years. His bro said go to college and have fun. Not really the same situation.

Mark Appel turned down the offer. The Pirates didn't choose not to sign him b/c of some perceived medical deal. Not the same. Rocker was ready to accept the 6 mil offer that the Mets offered him.

Brady Aiken, HS kid. This one might be a somewhat similar deal though Aiken was also actually hurt and had TJ surgery soon after. The next year they drafted Alex Bregman (stud) and Kyle Tucker so they did ok.

Rasmussen had 2 TJ surgeries, his first TJ came before he was drafted by the Rays. Rasmussen and the Rays also didn't agree on a deal unlike Rocker and the Mets. The Rays also took a chance on a kid that had already had one TJ deal and 2 months after he was drafted had another. Rasmussen had known arm trouble. The only issue with Rocker has been some decline in velo but that's it. Of course watch him have TJ or some other surgery in a month or two. I hope not, for his sake.

You've got 2 situations that could possibly be similar to what's going on here, either way it's definitely not common. To me, common is something that happens every year in the draft. Not including Rocker, only 2 other kids didn't sign in the top 10 rounds this year. So just 3 total and Rocker had a deal, until he didn't. Everyone signed in the 5 rounds of 2020. Only 1 kid didn't sign in the top 10 rounds of 2019. That's it. 3 kids didn't sign in the first round in 2018 and all 3 were HS kids. 4 total in the top 10 rounds didn't sign in 2018 so only 1 other kid besides the aforementioned 3. In 2017 only 3 kids in the top 10 rounds didn't sign. 2 were HS kids and the other was Rasmussen. Kids drafted in the first round sign unless something gets weird or goes wrong. Kids in the first 10 rounds sign, that's what's common.

I really don't care that it's the Mets, you're getting defensive b/c someone else made a Mets joke. I think you're letting that get in the way here. Which is cool, I totally get it. We all do it with our favorite teams and I'm guilty of it when it comes to NC State, badly. haha

All in all, it's not a huge deal b/c they do get another pick next year so it's not some long term crippling chain of events. They get two chances to draft two studs, like Rocker was this year.

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"I really don't care that it's the Mets, you're getting defensive b/c someone else made a Mets joke. I think you're letting that get in the way here. Which is cool, I totally get it. We all do it with our favorite teams and I'm guilty of it when it comes to NC State, badly. haha"

It has nothing to do with that. I don't even know all the players on the current Mets team.

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Then don't believe me I suppose. I can't keep up with who the Mets have or don't have when I am coaching football and looking at recruits while also taking grad school classes in the summer.

I know they have Lindor (I used to cover him) and I know they just traded their 2020 first-round pick away.

In 2000 the Mets made the World Series. I saw Game 5 at Shea. I was into it back then. It was fun even though they lost.

In 2015 the Mets once again made the World Series. I didn't get too riled up then. If it happens this season I suspect I will be fairly calm once again.

As I have gotten older I just don't keep allegiances like I used to, except for the Knicks.

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Lighten up Rob, we've entered the kidding portion of the day.

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sf59 said:

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here for the rob and clt banter

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