kmb717 said:

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— Chris Creel (@chriscreel) June 28, 2021

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The most tone deaf organization ever. This is what we are mad at. This is disgusting.

Wolfpacklife said:

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BreakPoint said:

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So if we had beaten Vandy on Friday, would anything have changed? We still would have been DQ'd?

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I don't think we will ever know for sure but it looks like to me that could very well have happened. Which would suck that much more than it does right now

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Mehhh, yes, but I'd like the satisfaction of beating Vandy and knocking them out. If that means MSU wins by default, so be it.
But the fact Vandy not only won by forfeit, but also got the huge gift of preserving Leiter.....sucks.

wilmwolf80 said:

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kmb717 said:

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pic.twitter.com/hDWRCIXLpt

— Chris Creel (@chriscreel) June 28, 2021

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The most tone deaf organization ever. This is what we are mad at. This is disgusting.

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And people really blame us for thinking something shady went down? We were robbed. Gun to our heads stick up.

Packchem91 said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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BreakPoint said:

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So if we had beaten Vandy on Friday, would anything have changed? We still would have been DQ'd?

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I don't think we will ever know for sure but it looks like to me that could very well have happened. Which would suck that much more than it does right now

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Mehhh, yes, but I'd like the satisfaction of beating Vandy and knocking them out. If that means MSU wins by default, so be it.
But the fact Vandy not only won by forfeit, but also got the huge gift of preserving Leiter.....sucks.

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100% agree. I wish we atleast had that chance on Sat. Would have sweet knocking them out like we almost did friday

Reid Johnston’s mom:

Wow. https://t.co/gdUz0MT1o0

— F THE NCAA Barstool Pack (@BarstoolPack) June 28, 2021

Wolfpacklife said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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BreakPoint said:

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So if we had beaten Vandy on Friday, would anything have changed? We still would have been DQ'd?

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I don't think we will ever know for sure but it looks like to me that could very well have happened. Which would suck that much more than it does right now

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Mehhh, yes, but I'd like the satisfaction of beating Vandy and knocking them out. If that means MSU wins by default, so be it.
But the fact Vandy not only won by forfeit, but also got the huge gift of preserving Leiter.....sucks.

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100% agree. I wish we atleast had that chance on Sat. Would have sweet knocking them out like we almost did friday

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I'd love to have won on Friday for a number of reasons....and the cynical side of me thinks the overall outcome (being booted) may have been different. At minimum, it feels like we would have been given 2 extra days.
Alas, all conjecture.

I think the big issue for Wolfpack fans is the lack of transparency in all of this. It's not like this is a regular season game. It's day 3 and no one fully knows what happened other than vague corporate-ish statements. Other than lame ass email/tweet saying I promised we tried, there has been nothing from Boo.

This whole Covid thing has really been twisted to fit agenda. First it's wait till we flatten the curve. Then wait till vaccine, Moe vaccine doesn't stop it just minimizes symptoms. Now apparently this delta variant has some folks wanting to push the reset button and go back to masks, distancing and shut downs. It's all just super frustrating.

McDonough's mom also said he tested negative multiple times

sorry i cannot verify the test time, but hopefully she means in the past couple weeks and not years!

it makes no sense. and it wont

James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

Shoutout to our fearless leader. Coach was vaccinated this whole time, but didn't hesitate to hold his ground on the issue under intense media fire. Stood up for his guys in the face of it all and refused to throw them under the bus. 100% authentic no matter the stage/situation.

That man is getting a statue outside of Doak !

ecbwolf said:

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James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.

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I, for one, won't get mad at James if we disagree on something. Heck, if an insider NEVER disagrees with you then you should worry if they are shooting it straight.

James is way closer and has more sources than all of us. I trust him.

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James Henderson said:

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ecbwolf said:

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James, you should quit posting because you are going to lose a lot of customers over this.

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Crazy how that works right?

Either way, I'll never just blindly agree with folks on a topic. Just my nature and how I've always done things. If that's what you want your subscription to be about (in general, not you) there are plenty of other sites out there who may do that.

I value my thoughts and opinions just like I'm sure everyone here does their own.

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I enjoy the back and forth - it forces me to think and validate my opinions.

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That's a big reason why I like to engage, it's never personal, but I just can't ever agree with a person because he/she is a subscriber.

I'd hope subscribers wouldn't want that.

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Truth of the matter is that I would probably unsubscribe if you did so that.

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

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Sheeesh (this was to James)

My frustration lies in feeling the NCAA could have pumped the brakes a bit before DQ'ing us. The situation around the pandemic has changed even since March. If you're running an event that's wide open to full-capacity crowds, the protocols should be reevaluated/tweaked from what they were for fall/winter sports with extremely limited crowds. Find solutions that can preserve the competition instead of rushing towards the nuclear option.

One would think the vaccinated players could form a team assuming we had 8-9 that were vaccinated?

The NCAA let 20k+ fans in the stadium and kicked nc state out for a couple positive tests. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Yup, James would've snitched on his players before the reporter even finished the question.

James Henderson said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

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The same morning, NC State discovered two more players had shown symptoms consistent with COVID-19, so were proactive and sent them over to the Marriott for further testing. Those results arrived 90 minutes before the Vanderbilt game both members of the traveling party were positive for COVID-19. That took NC State's COVID-positive total to four. At that point, the NCAA took this matter up the chain to the Championship Medical Team to further evaluate the situation at hand, which is what created the 45-minute delay in the game's start time. It's worth noting the two players who tested positive that morning were unvaccinated players.

Wouldn't those two be added to the 4 vaccinated and the 2 prior to Friday to make 8 or are you saying his point is inaccurate?

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He's wrong. I know you are taking his account as gospel but it's not factually correct. The 2 other people mentioned were not players. One was an unpaid volunteer assistant coach and the other was a no longer active scholarship recipient who attended with the team. Basically 2 members of the support staff

wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

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The same morning, NC State discovered two more players had shown symptoms consistent with COVID-19, so were proactive and sent them over to the Marriott for further testing. Those results arrived 90 minutes before the Vanderbilt game both members of the traveling party were positive for COVID-19. That took NC State's COVID-positive total to four. At that point, the NCAA took this matter up the chain to the Championship Medical Team to further evaluate the situation at hand, which is what created the 45-minute delay in the game's start time. It's worth noting the two players who tested positive that morning were unvaccinated players.

Wouldn't those two be added to the 4 vaccinated and the 2 prior to Friday to make 8 or are you saying his point is inaccurate?

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He's wrong. I know you are taking his account as gospel but it's not factually correct. The 2 other people mentioned were not players. One was an unpaid volunteer assistant coach and the other was a no longer active scholarship recipient who attended with the team. Basically 2 members of the support staff

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So this is the first time I say we messed up. No reason to have some extras in the travel party that are unvaccinated. I'm unvaccinated no plans to be vaccinated and realize that was not very smart.

Packisback09 said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

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The same morning, NC State discovered two more players had shown symptoms consistent with COVID-19, so were proactive and sent them over to the Marriott for further testing. Those results arrived 90 minutes before the Vanderbilt game both members of the traveling party were positive for COVID-19. That took NC State's COVID-positive total to four. At that point, the NCAA took this matter up the chain to the Championship Medical Team to further evaluate the situation at hand, which is what created the 45-minute delay in the game's start time. It's worth noting the two players who tested positive that morning were unvaccinated players.

Wouldn't those two be added to the 4 vaccinated and the 2 prior to Friday to make 8 or are you saying his point is inaccurate?

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He's wrong. I know you are taking his account as gospel but it's not factually correct. The 2 other people mentioned were not players. One was an unpaid volunteer assistant coach and the other was a no longer active scholarship recipient who attended with the team. Basically 2 members of the support staff

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So this is the first time I say we messed up. No reason to have some extras in the travel party that are unvaccinated. I'm unvaccinated no plans to be vaccinated and realize that was not very smart.

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They were deemed important enough to our team's success to travel and at least one of them definitely was. I have no problem with that decision . It takes more people to make a team successful than the paid coaches and the players

Packisback09 said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

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The same morning, NC State discovered two more players had shown symptoms consistent with COVID-19, so were proactive and sent them over to the Marriott for further testing. Those results arrived 90 minutes before the Vanderbilt game both members of the traveling party were positive for COVID-19. That took NC State's COVID-positive total to four. At that point, the NCAA took this matter up the chain to the Championship Medical Team to further evaluate the situation at hand, which is what created the 45-minute delay in the game's start time. It's worth noting the two players who tested positive that morning were unvaccinated players.

Wouldn't those two be added to the 4 vaccinated and the 2 prior to Friday to make 8 or are you saying his point is inaccurate?

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He's wrong. I know you are taking his account as gospel but it's not factually correct. The 2 other people mentioned were not players. One was an unpaid volunteer assistant coach and the other was a no longer active scholarship recipient who attended with the team. Basically 2 members of the support staff

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So this is the first time I say we messed up. No reason to have some extras in the travel party that are unvaccinated. I'm unvaccinated no plans to be vaccinated and realize that was not very smart.

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Our biggest mistake was honesty, which I'm OK with. We could have just isolated guys and sat them out due to undisclosed injuries and nobody would have ever known.

wolfpack1437 said:

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Packisback09 said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

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The same morning, NC State discovered two more players had shown symptoms consistent with COVID-19, so were proactive and sent them over to the Marriott for further testing. Those results arrived 90 minutes before the Vanderbilt game both members of the traveling party were positive for COVID-19. That took NC State's COVID-positive total to four. At that point, the NCAA took this matter up the chain to the Championship Medical Team to further evaluate the situation at hand, which is what created the 45-minute delay in the game's start time. It's worth noting the two players who tested positive that morning were unvaccinated players.

Wouldn't those two be added to the 4 vaccinated and the 2 prior to Friday to make 8 or are you saying his point is inaccurate?

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He's wrong. I know you are taking his account as gospel but it's not factually correct. The 2 other people mentioned were not players. One was an unpaid volunteer assistant coach and the other was a no longer active scholarship recipient who attended with the team. Basically 2 members of the support staff

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So this is the first time I say we messed up. No reason to have some extras in the travel party that are unvaccinated. I'm unvaccinated no plans to be vaccinated and realize that was not very smart.

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Our biggest mistake was honesty, which I'm OK with. We could have just isolated guys and sat them out due to undisclosed injuries and nobody would have ever known.

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That's a fair. Appreciate the insight

James Henderson said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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wolfpack1437 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Packforlife said:

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James Henderson said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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I appreciate him compiling everything.

What pisses me off is the NCAA just "knew we couldn't finish" and then called it at 1am. Could they not have waited until the next afternoon at the latest. Maybe sit down with people and discuss potential opportunities.

It just seems like they took the easy route and moved on.

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I think once you reach 8 positives and contact tracing it become a question of if State can even field a team.

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I think the key to the entire article is it is worded the nc state traveling party. How many players positive is the question.

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I read 8 in that article.

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There were not 8 players who tested positive. There were 6

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The same morning, NC State discovered two more players had shown symptoms consistent with COVID-19, so were proactive and sent them over to the Marriott for further testing. Those results arrived 90 minutes before the Vanderbilt game both members of the traveling party were positive for COVID-19. That took NC State's COVID-positive total to four. At that point, the NCAA took this matter up the chain to the Championship Medical Team to further evaluate the situation at hand, which is what created the 45-minute delay in the game's start time. It's worth noting the two players who tested positive that morning were unvaccinated players.

Wouldn't those two be added to the 4 vaccinated and the 2 prior to Friday to make 8 or are you saying his point is inaccurate?

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He's wrong. I know you are taking his account as gospel but it's not factually correct. The 2 other people mentioned were not players. One was an unpaid volunteer assistant coach and the other was a no longer active scholarship recipient who attended with the team. Basically 2 members of the support staff

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I don't agree with bringing along support staff who are unvaccinated and subject to testing.

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That's certainly your right..lol

Either way, the issue is the number 8 which got us to the outbreak threshold and out of the CWS. Of those eight, five (or is it six?) were vaccinated, correct? And at least one vax (possibly two) was sick.

Probably not possible to tell where it all began but it is possible we could have had everyone 100% vaccinated and still ended up in the same place.

wilmwolf80 said:

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kmb717 said:

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pic.twitter.com/hDWRCIXLpt

— Chris Creel (@chriscreel) June 28, 2021

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The most tone deaf organization ever. This is what we are mad at. This is disgusting.

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By my math, we beat the almighty SEC's ass three times.

So Andrew Schnitker is the media guy who took the Avent quote of of context in his tweet to make it seem like he hadn't been vaccinated ?