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MCLAMB: Someone Needs To Speak Up

Let me be clear. At this point, I do not know all the facts about the astounding spiral that NC State took over the course of the last two days.
June 26, 2021
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Let me be clear. At this point, I do not know all the facts about the astounding spiral that NC State took over the course of the last two days. Having already secured its greatest finish ever, the baseball program seemed genuinely poised to compete for and potentially win a national championship. 

NC State now heads home. The calendar has not yet reached July, but the joys and excitement from Ruston, Louisiana, and Fayetteville, Arkansas feel like years ago. It is a vague memory now. 

Vanderbilt gets to rebound from a loss just a few days earlier to line up its pitching staff in the College World Series Final, something that seldom happens to a team that is defeated early in the CWS, but it could very well not be the Commodores' fault.

Maybe Vanderbilt cannot be blamed. NC State, which had 13 players who were suitable to play on Friday but then was relegated to a forfeiture of their place in Omaha less than 11 hours after they actually did suit up and play, may deserve some or all of the blame.

I do not know. You do not know. We do not know. 

NC State was allowed to play Friday. NC State was disqualified Saturday. The disqualification occurred at around two in the morning. The news dump of all news dumps. 

No one has answers. That would take dialog. We are not getting that. 

Would NC State have been disqualified if they had won the game Friday? The Wolfpack actually had a legitimate chance to beat Vanderbilt and will rightly lament the runners left on base and the unearned runs allowed in a two-run loss. NCSU could have pulled it out. If they did, what happens then?

No one has said. They probably will not say. Hypotheticals are seldom addressed. 

Since the pandemic started, the law degrees on social media have given way to medical degrees. Everyone's an expert. 

I am not an expert. I have a political science degree with a journalism minor. I am working on a master’s in journalism. My education was not geared toward anything medical. I'm not too fond of science class. That is the way I like it. When it comes to the medical, vaccinations included, I defer to folks who are well-versed in the field and not no-names with Twitter handles.

What I do know now is that NC State did not properly do whatever it is that suffices with the NCAA. 

The NCAA, which has been getting shellacked in court quite a bit recently, can roll on whims with the best of them. Is that happening now? No one has answers, but being allowed to play and then sent home in a span of less than half of a day does not exactly swim in a sea of consistency.

The “#Pack13” will probably live in immortality now. NC State fans will make sure they are not forgotten.

NC State's sports teams often take the Shakespearean route, so we will get a healthy dose of hearing about how NCSU is “jinxed,” which is ridiculous. The Wolfpack was either screwed over or shot itself in the foot, but it will all be hearsay, conjecture, and conspiracies until people with real answers step up. 

Just give us the truth. 

Someone is going to have to speak about this. College sports are subsidized partly by ticket purchases and donations. NC State knows this well, as the drumbeats for a new baseball stadium have been louder and more frequent in recent weeks. So why would folks donate to someone who does not give them the common courtesy of an explanation? 

Fans want titles. Teams sent home don't win titles.

Remarkably, no one at the NCAA or NC State has even bothered to try to control the narrative at this point. There are already wild rumors on the internet, but the real information will trickle out eventually. It is coming. I may find out. Another journalist may find it. Sometime soon, it will all get out.

Someone will eventually have to accept responsibility. However, that does not mean they have to be blamed too. This is a world full of imperfection, especially if it relates to folks in their late teens or early 20s. Accountability demands respect. 

This is bigger than Wolfpack Nation. The NCAA calls it the college version of a “World Series,” so there is a minimum of a whole country that wants to know what really happened.

Now give us the answers.

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MCLAMB: Someone Needs To Speak Up

15,854 Views | 91 Replies | Last: 5 yr ago by bigeric
Sheriff Shively
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It's going to get ugly in Carter Finley the first time that lazy drunkard takes the field to accept a $1,500 check from the Pollards of Pink Hill.
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Screw all the "we need more info" talk, what we need everyone pushing on social media is that vandy needs to be tested as well. If this is contract tracing we need to be fighting for every player to be tested at this point.
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CLTWolf
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MayorStoner said:

I had a really bad feeling about Boo Corrigan when he was hired. He looked like Lee Fowler without the mustache. Now it's pretty clear this guy is LF2.0

Dammit. I can't unsee that picture now. I HATE Lee Fowler. Ugh. Don't be a Lee Fowler.
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packwest
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Who is to say our vaccinated players didn't "catch it" from Vandy??? Timeline lines up.

#testvandy
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Sheriff Shively said:

It's going to get ugly in Carter Finley the first time that lazy drunkard takes the field to accept a $1,500 check from the Pollards of Pink Hill.

Wait, you're not picking on Pink Hill are you???
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caryking
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Civilized said:

There's a screen cap of that Boo Corrigan statement beside the word pusillanimous in the dictionary.

This whole thing absolutely blows. My coffee even tastes terrible this morning.
I agree. Courage is not a thing many people have... BtW, my coffee sucks because I ran out of my favorite. Or, it could be just like yours, Civ...
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I like Boo. I think he's been a good AD, and I don't mind that he isn't on Twitter like Yow (who I also really like). I am disappointed in his statement, but frankly at this point, I'm also unsure as to what he should've said instead. We aren't going to sue the NCAA, and nothing we say will change what happened. I just needed something... more, but I don't know what that is.
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Wolfer79 said:


Absolutely worthless!
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wilmwolf80 said:

I like Boo. I think he's been a good AD, and I don't mind that he isn't on Twitter like Yow (who I also really like). I am disappointed in his statement, but frankly at this point, I'm also unsure as to what he should've said instead. We aren't going to sue the NCAA, and nothing we say will change what happened. I just needed something... more, but I don't know what that is.


I would have been fine with the statement as-is if the last line was something like "As to the NCAA, get ****ed."
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Tootie4Pack said:

A great post from Weather Moose, who is a part of the Sports Channel 8 crew.

They're just following the SCIENCE.
Like I said, if you can't get hyped for the Carolina game, why are you here?
-Earl Wolff-
Rob McLamb
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A few folks have mentioned going to Doak or the airport to greet the baseball team when they arrive. NC State really doesn't want that because some of their people need to be isolated.
Twitter: @RobMcLamb
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Rob McLamb said:

A few folks have mentioned going to Doak or the airport to greet the baseball team when they arrive. NC State really doesn't want that because some of their people need to be isolated.


I doubt anyone would want to rub up against them lol

We can't just wave and holler and show our support for their effort?
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Great article rob
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bgr3 said:

No shot if State wins yesterday they send the team home. I think it was James replying to Rob saying they would have, I don't buy it. The NCAA does not give a **** about any principles, anybody actually think they wouldve cancelled the final series and just awarded it to the bottom half of the bracket winner? Really?

State wins yesterday and we wouldve been too important to send home, lose that game and it gives them cover to pretend like they care about testing. Idk how anybody can follow this stuff and think the NCAA does anything on the up and up.
I don't understand how that's up for debate.

Had we won yesterday, we would have had a game to play Monday with more players continuing to be tested. We've already had 4 more positives since yesterday's game.

State was done the minute they had 4 more positives. Can't field a team at this point IMO. I don't know any sport out there where known positives are participating in games.
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wilmwolf80 said:

I like Boo. I think he's been a good AD, and I don't mind that he isn't on Twitter like Yow (who I also really like). I am disappointed in his statement, but frankly at this point, I'm also unsure as to what he should've said instead. We aren't going to sue the NCAA, and nothing we say will change what happened. I just needed something... more, but I don't know what that is.


right. we know there's really nothing he can do. we just want to get the sense that he FEELS all the emotions we're feeling. a sense of connection between him and the fan base (something you never had to drag out of debbie). reading that statement was just kind of blah i guess.
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Good to see that ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and Boo are following using the same playbook....... , play it safe, this statement don't say nothing significant , middle of the road support of our team.
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James Henderson said:

bgr3 said:

No shot if State wins yesterday they send the team home. I think it was James replying to Rob saying they would have, I don't buy it. The NCAA does not give a **** about any principles, anybody actually think they wouldve cancelled the final series and just awarded it to the bottom half of the bracket winner? Really?

State wins yesterday and we wouldve been too important to send home, lose that game and it gives them cover to pretend like they care about testing. Idk how anybody can follow this stuff and think the NCAA does anything on the up and up.
I don't understand how that's up for debate.

Had we won yesterday, we would have had a game to play Monday with more players continuing to be tested. We've already had 4 more positives since yesterday's game.

State was done the minute they had 4 more positives. Can't field a team at this point IMO. I don't know any sport out there where known positives are participating in games.


so hypothetically you believe they would've had an award ceremony for mississippi state last night at 3 AM?

we win yesterday and then get bounced because of the 4 additional positives. mississippi state actually ends up eliminating texas and the whole thing is a wrap right on the spot? tournament over.

i'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a scenario that could've happened last night. it's just hard to wrap your mind around that happening. like they wouldn't even consider trying to find a way to play the cws finals.
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Over under on Wednesday we get the IARP ruling on the basketball stuff. And it not good.
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aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

bgr3 said:

No shot if State wins yesterday they send the team home. I think it was James replying to Rob saying they would have, I don't buy it. The NCAA does not give a **** about any principles, anybody actually think they wouldve cancelled the final series and just awarded it to the bottom half of the bracket winner? Really?

State wins yesterday and we wouldve been too important to send home, lose that game and it gives them cover to pretend like they care about testing. Idk how anybody can follow this stuff and think the NCAA does anything on the up and up.
I don't understand how that's up for debate.

Had we won yesterday, we would have had a game to play Monday with more players continuing to be tested. We've already had 4 more positives since yesterday's game.

State was done the minute they had 4 more positives. Can't field a team at this point IMO. I don't know any sport out there where known positives are participating in games.


so hypothetically you believe they would've had an award ceremony for mississippi state last night at 3 AM?

we win yesterday and then get bounced because of the 4 additional positives. mississippi state actually ends up eliminating texas and the whole thing is a wrap right on the spot? tournament over.

i'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a scenario that could've happened last night. it's just hard to wrap your mind around that happening. like they wouldn't even consider trying to find a way to play the cws finals.
I don't know what they would have done with the other side (Texas and Miss. State are still playing).

My point is we were never going to play with 6 plus players positive. They didn't let us play Saturday. What would change by Monday?
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82TxPackFan said:

Wolfer79 said:


Absolutely worthless!
Up to this time since being hired, both Invisiboo Corrigan and Jim Flips have each proven one thing - as long as that bank deposit goes in on time, they don't have to stand up for a damn thing.

The abject failure of leadership shines like the beacon from the Cape Hatteras lighthouse.
BruceDouble
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With the vanilla statement from the AD, it kinda makes me think someone within our program really dropped the ball somewhere that we don't know about yet.

I'm gonna take a break from the boards and Twitter for now..
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Bell Tower Grey said:

82TxPackFan said:

Wolfer79 said:


Absolutely worthless!
Up to this time since being hired, both Invisiboo Corrigan and Jim Flips have each proven one thing - as long as that bank deposit goes in on time, they don't have to stand up for a damn thing.

The abject failure of leadership shines like the beacon from the Cape Hatteras lighthouse.
expect to receive a strongly-jaded meme from CLT.
Travis84
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UNC would have had 5 attorneys on a chartered private plane straight to Omaha yesterday had this little stunt been pulled on them before the first pitch.

We roll over and just take it.
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Other schools go to the mattresses for their teams and fans. Ours lies facedown on them.
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Packchem91 said:

Bell Tower Grey said:

82TxPackFan said:

Wolfer79 said:


Absolutely worthless!
Up to this time since being hired, both Invisiboo Corrigan and Jim Flips have each proven one thing - as long as that bank deposit goes in on time, they don't have to stand up for a damn thing.

The abject failure of leadership shines like the beacon from the Cape Hatteras lighthouse.
expect to receive a strongly-jaded meme from CLT.
If so, I'll give him a tube of my wife's lipstick so that he can put some on before he kisses my ass.
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James Henderson said:

aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

bgr3 said:

No shot if State wins yesterday they send the team home. I think it was James replying to Rob saying they would have, I don't buy it. The NCAA does not give a **** about any principles, anybody actually think they wouldve cancelled the final series and just awarded it to the bottom half of the bracket winner? Really?

State wins yesterday and we wouldve been too important to send home, lose that game and it gives them cover to pretend like they care about testing. Idk how anybody can follow this stuff and think the NCAA does anything on the up and up.
I don't understand how that's up for debate.

Had we won yesterday, we would have had a game to play Monday with more players continuing to be tested. We've already had 4 more positives since yesterday's game.

State was done the minute they had 4 more positives. Can't field a team at this point IMO. I don't know any sport out there where known positives are participating in games.


so hypothetically you believe they would've had an award ceremony for mississippi state last night at 3 AM?

we win yesterday and then get bounced because of the 4 additional positives. mississippi state actually ends up eliminating texas and the whole thing is a wrap right on the spot? tournament over.

i'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a scenario that could've happened last night. it's just hard to wrap your mind around that happening. like they wouldn't even consider trying to find a way to play the cws finals.
I don't know what they would have done with the other side (Texas and Miss. State are still playing).

My point is we were never going to play with 6 plus players positive. They didn't let us play Saturday. What would change by Monday?


follow me here, james. yes, they are still playing. but had mississippi state won last night they would've advanced to the finals. had we won yesterday we would've advanced to the finals. the finals would've been set then between miss state and nc state. are they still eliminating us and just handing miss state the trophy. would they really just end the whole thing like that ? hard to imagine
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aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

bgr3 said:

No shot if State wins yesterday they send the team home. I think it was James replying to Rob saying they would have, I don't buy it. The NCAA does not give a **** about any principles, anybody actually think they wouldve cancelled the final series and just awarded it to the bottom half of the bracket winner? Really?

State wins yesterday and we wouldve been too important to send home, lose that game and it gives them cover to pretend like they care about testing. Idk how anybody can follow this stuff and think the NCAA does anything on the up and up.
I don't understand how that's up for debate.

Had we won yesterday, we would have had a game to play Monday with more players continuing to be tested. We've already had 4 more positives since yesterday's game.

State was done the minute they had 4 more positives. Can't field a team at this point IMO. I don't know any sport out there where known positives are participating in games.


so hypothetically you believe they would've had an award ceremony for mississippi state last night at 3 AM?

we win yesterday and then get bounced because of the 4 additional positives. mississippi state actually ends up eliminating texas and the whole thing is a wrap right on the spot? tournament over.

i'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a scenario that could've happened last night. it's just hard to wrap your mind around that happening. like they wouldn't even consider trying to find a way to play the cws finals.
I don't know what they would have done with the other side (Texas and Miss. State are still playing).

My point is we were never going to play with 6 plus players positive. They didn't let us play Saturday. What would change by Monday?


follow me here, james. yes, they are still playing. but had mississippi state won last night they would've advanced to the finals. had we won yesterday we would've advanced to the finals. the finals would've been set then between miss state and nc state. are they still eliminating us and just handing miss state the trophy. would they really just end the whole thing like that ? hard to imagine

Yeah no way that happens. They'd have pushed out the final in that hypothetical.
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aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

bgr3 said:

No shot if State wins yesterday they send the team home. I think it was James replying to Rob saying they would have, I don't buy it. The NCAA does not give a **** about any principles, anybody actually think they wouldve cancelled the final series and just awarded it to the bottom half of the bracket winner? Really?

State wins yesterday and we wouldve been too important to send home, lose that game and it gives them cover to pretend like they care about testing. Idk how anybody can follow this stuff and think the NCAA does anything on the up and up.
I don't understand how that's up for debate.

Had we won yesterday, we would have had a game to play Monday with more players continuing to be tested. We've already had 4 more positives since yesterday's game.

State was done the minute they had 4 more positives. Can't field a team at this point IMO. I don't know any sport out there where known positives are participating in games.


so hypothetically you believe they would've had an award ceremony for mississippi state last night at 3 AM?

we win yesterday and then get bounced because of the 4 additional positives. mississippi state actually ends up eliminating texas and the whole thing is a wrap right on the spot? tournament over.

i'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a scenario that could've happened last night. it's just hard to wrap your mind around that happening. like they wouldn't even consider trying to find a way to play the cws finals.
I don't know what they would have done with the other side (Texas and Miss. State are still playing).

My point is we were never going to play with 6 plus players positive. They didn't let us play Saturday. What would change by Monday?


follow me here, james. yes, they are still playing. but had mississippi state won last night they would've advanced to the finals. had we won yesterday we would've advanced to the finals. the finals would've been set then between miss state and nc state. are they still eliminating us and just handing miss state the trophy. would they really just end the whole thing like that ? hard to imagine
per Kendall Rogers at d1baseball ,yes it would have ended just like that last night

wolfpack1437
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Wolfer79 said:

aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

aqasaw234 said:

James Henderson said:

bgr3 said:

No shot if State wins yesterday they send the team home. I think it was James replying to Rob saying they would have, I don't buy it. The NCAA does not give a **** about any principles, anybody actually think they wouldve cancelled the final series and just awarded it to the bottom half of the bracket winner? Really?

State wins yesterday and we wouldve been too important to send home, lose that game and it gives them cover to pretend like they care about testing. Idk how anybody can follow this stuff and think the NCAA does anything on the up and up.
I don't understand how that's up for debate.

Had we won yesterday, we would have had a game to play Monday with more players continuing to be tested. We've already had 4 more positives since yesterday's game.

State was done the minute they had 4 more positives. Can't field a team at this point IMO. I don't know any sport out there where known positives are participating in games.


so hypothetically you believe they would've had an award ceremony for mississippi state last night at 3 AM?

we win yesterday and then get bounced because of the 4 additional positives. mississippi state actually ends up eliminating texas and the whole thing is a wrap right on the spot? tournament over.

i'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a scenario that could've happened last night. it's just hard to wrap your mind around that happening. like they wouldn't even consider trying to find a way to play the cws finals.
I don't know what they would have done with the other side (Texas and Miss. State are still playing).

My point is we were never going to play with 6 plus players positive. They didn't let us play Saturday. What would change by Monday?


follow me here, james. yes, they are still playing. but had mississippi state won last night they would've advanced to the finals. had we won yesterday we would've advanced to the finals. the finals would've been set then between miss state and nc state. are they still eliminating us and just handing miss state the trophy. would they really just end the whole thing like that ? hard to imagine
per Kendall Rogers at d1baseball ,yes it would have ended just like that last night


Yeah right. Does anybody actually believe the money that would have been left on the table from 3 more games in the stadium and the broadcast revenue for those games would have just been forfeited. The county and the city of Omaha would have lost a lot of money---- NO WAY IN THE WORLD would the county health department who made our decision make a decision just to end the CWS before a finals series was played
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Hey brother, appreciate you making the drive out there this weekend. You deserved better with that trip.

Thanks for the updates while out there.
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Another thing regarding the NCAA. Why does Vandy get to benefit? The loser of Miss St/Texas should play Vandy in a win-and-in game to the championship series. Every team benefits. Was that so hard to come up with?
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