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MCLAMB: Someone Needs To Speak Up

June 26, 2021
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Let me be clear. At this point, I do not know all the facts about the astounding spiral that NC State took over the course of the last two days. Having already secured its greatest finish ever, the baseball program seemed genuinely poised to compete for and potentially win a national championship. 

NC State now heads home. The calendar has not yet reached July, but the joys and excitement from Ruston, Louisiana, and Fayetteville, Arkansas feel like years ago. It is a vague memory now. 

Vanderbilt gets to rebound from a loss just a few days earlier to line up its pitching staff in the College World Series Final, something that seldom happens to a team that is defeated early in the CWS, but it could very well not be the Commodores' fault.

Maybe Vanderbilt cannot be blamed. NC State, which had 13 players who were suitable to play on Friday but then was relegated to a forfeiture of their place in Omaha less than 11 hours after they actually did suit up and play, may deserve some or all of the blame.

I do not know. You do not know. We do not know. 

NC State was allowed to play Friday. NC State was disqualified Saturday. The disqualification occurred at around two in the morning. The news dump of all news dumps. 

No one has answers. That would take dialog. We are not getting that. 

Would NC State have been disqualified if they had won the game Friday? The Wolfpack actually had a legitimate chance to beat Vanderbilt and will rightly lament the runners left on base and the unearned runs allowed in a two-run loss. NCSU could have pulled it out. If they did, what happens then?

No one has said. They probably will not say. Hypotheticals are seldom addressed. 

Since the pandemic started, the law degrees on social media have given way to medical degrees. Everyone's an expert. 

I am not an expert. I have a political science degree with a journalism minor. I am working on a master’s in journalism. My education was not geared toward anything medical. I'm not too fond of science class. That is the way I like it. When it comes to the medical, vaccinations included, I defer to folks who are well-versed in the field and not no-names with Twitter handles.

What I do know now is that NC State did not properly do whatever it is that suffices with the NCAA. 

The NCAA, which has been getting shellacked in court quite a bit recently, can roll on whims with the best of them. Is that happening now? No one has answers, but being allowed to play and then sent home in a span of less than half of a day does not exactly swim in a sea of consistency.

The “#Pack13” will probably live in immortality now. NC State fans will make sure they are not forgotten.

NC State's sports teams often take the Shakespearean route, so we will get a healthy dose of hearing about how NCSU is “jinxed,” which is ridiculous. The Wolfpack was either screwed over or shot itself in the foot, but it will all be hearsay, conjecture, and conspiracies until people with real answers step up. 

Just give us the truth. 

Someone is going to have to speak about this. College sports are subsidized partly by ticket purchases and donations. NC State knows this well, as the drumbeats for a new baseball stadium have been louder and more frequent in recent weeks. So why would folks donate to someone who does not give them the common courtesy of an explanation? 

Fans want titles. Teams sent home don't win titles.

Remarkably, no one at the NCAA or NC State has even bothered to try to control the narrative at this point. There are already wild rumors on the internet, but the real information will trickle out eventually. It is coming. I may find out. Another journalist may find it. Sometime soon, it will all get out.

Someone will eventually have to accept responsibility. However, that does not mean they have to be blamed too. This is a world full of imperfection, especially if it relates to folks in their late teens or early 20s. Accountability demands respect. 

This is bigger than Wolfpack Nation. The NCAA calls it the college version of a “World Series,” so there is a minimum of a whole country that wants to know what really happened.

Now give us the answers.

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7:16p, 6/26/21
So frustrated. We would have had a Championship!! The university is responsible for making sure these kids were vaccinated!!!! They failed. And cost us a title. My contributions are officially over
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In reply to MrStateFanGuy • 7:25p, 6/26/21
MrStateFanGuy said:
Acb0110 said:

First,
The virus didn't cause 600K deaths in this country. The real numbers directly caused by covid-19 are around 1200 according to the CDC. Also, these vaccines have shown to have terrible effects, including enlargement of the heart in young men. Do your research as opposed to listening to the talking heads on TV. Lastly, getting vaxed is a personal choice and young men who have a 99.999999999% chance to live if they get this virus shouldn't be penalized. In fact, I don't think you can call this a pandemic when 99% of those who get the thing live. You mentioned the 1918 flu, and you skew your numbers. Yes, 675K plus people died from that flu, but the population was a fraction of what it is today and that flu killed young people. This one mainly takes old people, avg age of death for covid is 78 years of age, CDC. The numbers are not comparable at all. The 1918 flu killed almost 20% of the population compared to less than 1/10th of 1% with this flu.

This is a gross miscalculation by the NCAA and their corruption needs to be pointed out as loudly and publicly as possible. You should strongly consider recalling your email filled with misinformation.
Saying 1200 people died is a gross miscalculation by you. You should strongly consider recalling your post filled with misinformation.


12000, it was typed incorrectly. That should have been clear since I was using CDC data which was mentioned. A simple google search would have done some good on your end.
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In reply to pack99 • 7:35p, 6/26/21
pack99 said:
So frustrated. We would have had a Championship!! The university is responsible for making sure these kids were vaccinated!!!! They failed. And cost us a title. My contributions are officially over


Good. Because it was the positive tests from the four vaccinated players that got us kicked out.

Keep living in your own reality though, no need to be factual.
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In reply to wufpak • 7:38p, 6/26/21
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You are correct that the military is currently allowing the members to choose, why I can't understand, you're in the military you do what you're told, end of discussion. However, I have been told that once the vaccines get full FDA approval it will no longer be optional for military members.


Requirement when they have full approval has not been decided. Discussions are on going. They are still gathering data through their Coronavirus Officers. As of now approx. 85% of deployed or soon to deploy Naval sailors and officers are vacinated.
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Healthy, incredibly physically fit, 20 year olds being unvaccinated is not the problem. The ridiculous, and unfounded, stigma is. Google has censored the fact that something like 3x more kids under 18 have died after getting the vaccine than from the virus itself (not conspiracy unless you're Google). The CDC recently reversed its policy on vaccinating kids. And what do you know, it's unavailable on Google search. Nothing but pro-vaccine links. This is f'ing China sh*t here.

The whole thing is ridiculous. It's vital to note that our players were asymptomatic (as far as I've read). That's very important. Also, how do we know these weren't "false positive" tests? But anyone wanting coaches or admin to force healthy, unaffected kids, to get an unproven vaccine is patently insane. And demanding heads for it is even more unhinged.

Let's see how things shape out in 5,10, 20 years for these healthy individuals who got the jab. Hopefully, there's no sum game on either side. However, any responsible adult forcing an unproven vaccination on healthy kids with a less than .01% death rate from the thing they're being vaccinated for? That should damn well result in firings as well as possible criminal prosecution.
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In reply to Acb0110 • 12:18a, 6/27/21
Acb0110 said:
MrStateFanGuy said:
Acb0110 said:

First,
The virus didn't cause 600K deaths in this country. The real numbers directly caused by covid-19 are around 1200 according to the CDC. Also, these vaccines have shown to have terrible effects, including enlargement of the heart in young men. Do your research as opposed to listening to the talking heads on TV. Lastly, getting vaxed is a personal choice and young men who have a 99.999999999% chance to live if they get this virus shouldn't be penalized. In fact, I don't think you can call this a pandemic when 99% of those who get the thing live. You mentioned the 1918 flu, and you skew your numbers. Yes, 675K plus people died from that flu, but the population was a fraction of what it is today and that flu killed young people. This one mainly takes old people, avg age of death for covid is 78 years of age, CDC. The numbers are not comparable at all. The 1918 flu killed almost 20% of the population compared to less than 1/10th of 1% with this flu.

This is a gross miscalculation by the NCAA and their corruption needs to be pointed out as loudly and publicly as possible. You should strongly consider recalling your email filled with misinformation.
Saying 1200 people died is a gross miscalculation by you. You should strongly consider recalling your post filled with misinformation.


12000, it was typed incorrectly. That should have been clear since I was using CDC data which was mentioned. A simple google search would have done some good on your end.
I've googled your BS twice. Once after that wrong post. And another after this last wrong post. Stop getting your info from Facebook posts and quacks.
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In reply to MrStateFanGuy • 1:27a, 6/27/21
MrStateFanGuy said:
Acb0110 said:
MrStateFanGuy said:
Acb0110 said:

First,
The virus didn't cause 600K deaths in this country. The real numbers directly caused by covid-19 are around 1200 according to the CDC. Also, these vaccines have shown to have terrible effects, including enlargement of the heart in young men. Do your research as opposed to listening to the talking heads on TV. Lastly, getting vaxed is a personal choice and young men who have a 99.999999999% chance to live if they get this virus shouldn't be penalized. In fact, I don't think you can call this a pandemic when 99% of those who get the thing live. You mentioned the 1918 flu, and you skew your numbers. Yes, 675K plus people died from that flu, but the population was a fraction of what it is today and that flu killed young people. This one mainly takes old people, avg age of death for covid is 78 years of age, CDC. The numbers are not comparable at all. The 1918 flu killed almost 20% of the population compared to less than 1/10th of 1% with this flu.

This is a gross miscalculation by the NCAA and their corruption needs to be pointed out as loudly and publicly as possible. You should strongly consider recalling your email filled with misinformation.
Saying 1200 people died is a gross miscalculation by you. You should strongly consider recalling your post filled with misinformation.

12000, it was typed incorrectly. That should have been clear since I was using CDC data which was mentioned. A simple google search would have done some good on your end.
I've googled your BS twice. Once after that wrong post. And another after this last wrong post. Stop getting your info from Facebook posts and quacks.
Have you Googled CDC changes it's opinion on vaccinating children under 18? I got to page 7 and didn't see that update. #LivingInChina #NobodyCares
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4:47a, 6/27/21
From Afar,I think you guys got Jon Rahm'ed. He was up by six strokes in the tournament before the us open. He proceeds to walk of the 18th green and gets greeted by some pga official who tells him he "tested positive" and has to be Dqd. Rahm drops to his knees after finding this out and what does he get for his trouble...A literal pat on the back from the official that just told him he tested positive and has to be kicked out. I would assume that a leader coasting to victory isnt exactly great for ratings. Well...

I think the NCAA punished you guys for taking the field yesterday, that you did not take the forfeit option. In spite of all this, it was a great game to watch. On the heels of knocking out Kopps and co, clearly you had a great chance to win the next game.
Sadly it seems like its not out of realm that a decision was made to get Leiter and Rocker starts in the best of 3. I believe its really hard to argue this was anything but a business decision rather than done out of safety.
Just IMO. Cant wait to see whats next on sick sad world.








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Someone needs to end the INSANITY of these measures over this boogeyman virus. The NCAA should not be testing or mandating vaccines for players. Even by the "official" narrative, 18-22 year olds have about a 0.0001% chance of being seriously harmed by this virus. The players are not at risk.

They allow 25,000 fans (including people over 50, who ARE at risk) in the CWS without requiring any vaccines or testing of the fans. All of this has ZERO to do with any "concern over health of the players" or concern over anyone's health. This entire thing is being used to push an agenda that has NOTHING to do with the health of the general population.

This NCAA testing and disqualification of players must end NOW. The NCAA must not be allowed to continue this farce, and to destroy all the dreams and hard work of these players and coaches.

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In reply to GuerrillaPack • 3:52p, 6/27/21
GuerrillaPack said:
Someone needs to end the INSANITY of these measures over this boogeyman virus. The NCAA should not be testing or mandating vaccines for players. Even by the "official" narrative, 18-22 year olds have about a 0.0001% chance of being seriously harmed by this virus. The players are not at risk.

They allow 25,000 fans (including people over 50, who ARE at risk) in the CWS without requiring any vaccines or testing of the fans. All of this has ZERO to do with any "concern over health of the players" or concern over anyone's health. This entire thing is being used to push an agenda that has NOTHING to do with the health of the general population.

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Dang, and we were so close to achieving our "agenda that has NOTHING to do with the health of the general population".. we'd have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for all you patriots and your YouTube research.
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In reply to Wlfpacka7 • 4:59p, 6/27/21
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wufpak said:
You are correct that the military is currently allowing the members to choose, why I can't understand, you're in the military you do what you're told, end of discussion. However, I have been told that once the vaccines get full FDA approval it will no longer be optional for military members.


As a military member, let me enlighten you.

There's a DOD regulation that states that a drug/vaccine must be put through a two year study before it can be administered to the military. All of these vaccines received a waiver for emergency FDA approval. That does not meet military requirements.

Secondly, the military mandated a series of anthrax vaccinations following 9/11. That shortsighted decision caused countless physical side effects that the VA is now paying veterans for.

Those are two literal reasons why the vaccines are optional for military members.

Aside form that, this virus poses almost 0 threat to the military demographic. The last statistic I saw, there had been less than 30 deaths in the 2.2M member US military, and the overwhelming majority of those were reserve/guard forces (generally older and not typically in as good physical condition). That's a death rate of 0.000013636363636...Isn't that an interesting control group (e.g. under 50, exercise regular, standard medical care) that the media has never written a story on. I guess it's not politically expedient?

I'd assume that young division one athletes are at less risk than the the aforementioned military members.

I'm sorry that the DOD policy doesn't align with your personal opinions.


You are correct. The issue of mandatory is up in the air and may be changed. It is an ongoing situation. The Navy has offered incentives to get personnel to take it from lifting ROM (restriction of movement) guidelines, travel restrictions, 14 days ROM-sequester prior to deployment. Usually about 75-85% that are deploying are getting the vaccine. The vaccine allowed my son to us in April. He had the coronavirus (he was on the USS Roosevelt as a HAC for Squadron he is in). He also got the vaccine. The reason that are looking to get it approved is to avoid another USS Roosevelt. My son due to his experience and 72 day quarantine - he is called his squadrons "Coronavirus Officer" and has been trained in CDC and Naval quidelines.
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The main thing I agree with is that we need an explanation as to exactly what happened and why! My limited understanding at this point is that we had multiple unvaccinated players test positive, so the NCAA, within their protocol, tested our whole team. That is when several others who had been vaccinated tested positive and due to contact tracing, the whole team was disqualified. Someone needs to step up and verify exactly what happened!
Jesus, Family, Wolfpack!
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8:19a, 6/28/21
Is Inside Pack Sports going to update any information on this. There is zero green guys comments since this post. just wondering
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 8:21a, 6/28/21
SmaptyWolf said:
Bellhenmar said:
Red&White said:
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Why does everyone seem to forget the science?! Baseball is a sport played outdoors with social distancing designed into the game. Very minimal risk of transmission. But absolutely has the risk of heart inflammation with the two most commonly used vaccines in pfizer and moderna. Anyone that believes it's rare hasn't been paying attention. My children, if they were of age, would not be vaccinated if I had my way. It's gross incompetence by the NCAA to do this. As another poster just posted, why aren't the rules being applied across the board? Remove Vandy too.

Give me a break. The odds of developing heart inflammation from the vaccine is about the same as getting hit by a meteor. The odds of developing heart inflammation and actual permanent heart damage are WAAAY higher from COVID itself, even after asymptomatic infections... along with many other possibly long-term problems that your kids don't want (shortness of breath, brain fog, constant fevers, hair loss, etc). The rest of your napkin math is highly suspect, and this crusade to push people away from protecting themselves from a pandemic (first no masks, now no vaccines) is honestly pretty evil. Anyhoo.

People can nash their teeth at the NCAA all they want, but this was entirely avoidable. Fielding a team in the f'ing WORLD SERIES that wasn't fully vaccinated was idiotic, knowing full well the protocols and how the NCAA can be, and someone on our staff should be fired over it.
    Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of June 21, 2021, VAERS has received 616 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 393 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis."

SOURCE: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

  • Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 318 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 21, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,479 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it's unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse eventblood clots with low plateletswhich has caused deaths.

SOURCE: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
**Funny thing, they seem to distinguish that the numbers don't necessarily reflect if death came from the vaccine or not but yet nothing about pre-existing conditions with Covid. BUT LET ME BE CLEAR, had the people gotten covid they probably wouldn't have died if not contracting Covid, however the same can be said for the vaccine.

  • Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson's Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of June 21, 2021, more than 12 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 36 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
    • To date, one confirmed case of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) has been reported to VAERS after more than 306 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccinesadministered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
Same source...the CDC

Are you getting my trend yet. My "napkin math" is direct from the CDC. If you'd like you can click on the above link to the CDC website and see a lot of the information I provided.
As for your chances of heart inflammation being equivalent to getting hit by a meteor...the chances of a person less than 30 years old dying from Covid is even less than that. But keep shoving your head in the sand and pretending the vaccination is not a political push. And that's coming from someone that did receive the vaccine in me. But I'd never allow my kids to get it with the information that is available right now.

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In reply to iso • 9:53a, 6/28/21
iso said:
From Afar,I think you guys got Jon Rahm'ed. He was up by six strokes in the tournament before the us open. He proceeds to walk of the 18th green and gets greeted by some pga official who tells him he "tested positive" and has to be Dqd. Rahm drops to his knees after finding this out and what does he get for his trouble...A literal pat on the back from the official that just told him he tested positive and has to be kicked out. I would assume that a leader coasting to victory isnt exactly great for ratings. Well...

I think the NCAA punished you guys for taking the field yesterday, that you did not take the forfeit option. In spite of all this, it was a great game to watch. On the heels of knocking out Kopps and co, clearly you had a great chance to win the next game.
Sadly it seems like its not out of realm that a decision was made to get Leiter and Rocker starts in the best of 3. I believe its really hard to argue this was anything but a business decision rather than done out of safety.
Just IMO. Cant wait to see whats next on sick sad world.
Sooo you're saying we're gonna win a championship next time out which is football??
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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm

Stats say about 20,793died of covid only with no other conditiin listed
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MrStateFanGuy said:
Acb0110 said:
MrStateFanGuy said:
Acb0110 said:

First,
The virus didn't cause 600K deaths in this country. The real numbers directly caused by covid-19 are around 1200 according to the CDC. Also, these vaccines have shown to have terrible effects, including enlargement of the heart in young men. Do your research as opposed to listening to the talking heads on TV. Lastly, getting vaxed is a personal choice and young men who have a 99.999999999% chance to live if they get this virus shouldn't be penalized. In fact, I don't think you can call this a pandemic when 99% of those who get the thing live. You mentioned the 1918 flu, and you skew your numbers. Yes, 675K plus people died from that flu, but the population was a fraction of what it is today and that flu killed young people. This one mainly takes old people, avg age of death for covid is 78 years of age, CDC. The numbers are not comparable at all. The 1918 flu killed almost 20% of the population compared to less than 1/10th of 1% with this flu.

This is a gross miscalculation by the NCAA and their corruption needs to be pointed out as loudly and publicly as possible. You should strongly consider recalling your email filled with misinformation.
Saying 1200 people died is a gross miscalculation by you. You should strongly consider recalling your post filled with misinformation.


12000, it was typed incorrectly. That should have been clear since I was using CDC data which was mentioned. A simple google search would have done some good on your end.
I've googled your BS twice. Once after that wrong post. And another after this last wrong post. Stop getting your info from Facebook posts and quacks.


I'm not onFB and don't use social media. 90% of those claimed as Covid related deaths had 2-4 comorbities. That's fact. If you are 82 with stage 4 cancer and died from that but tested positive for Covid, it was deemed a Covid death. Again, fact. Grow up old man.
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In reply to Bellhenmar • 12:57p, 6/28/21
Bellhenmar said:
SmaptyWolf said:
Bellhenmar said:
Red&White said:
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Are you getting my trend yet. My "napkin math" is direct from the CDC. If you'd like you can click on the above link to the CDC website and see a lot of the information I provided.
As for your chances of heart inflammation being equivalent to getting hit by a meteor...the chances of a person less than 30 years old dying from Covid is even less than that. But keep shoving your head in the sand and pretending the vaccination is not a political push. And that's coming from someone that did receive the vaccine in me. But I'd never allow my kids to get it with the information that is available right now.


What you don't mention is that in almost every case of myocarditis and pericarditis, it resolved in like a week or two, usually without any medicine. These infections also happen commonly in young people after getting the flu, etc.

You then jump to the 5,479 reports of death FOR ALL AGES... even though those deaths aren't even necessarily related to the vaccine, they're almost entirely the elderly. You have any CDC statistics of specifically young people dying from the vaccine? No you don't.

Anyway, as I said before, if you're looking for something society actually is ignoring, google "long covid in kids" and buckle your seatbelt. Hospitalization and death from Covid aren't an issue for young people, but something almost as bad certainly is, and we just can't handle talking about it because everyone is sick of lockdowns. We're still figuring it out, but yea, it might turn out that Covid will be a "mass-disability event", and the young will have to live with it the longest. This ain't a disease you want if you can avoid it, no matter what your age is.

As far as vaccination being a "political push", have you ever spent a few minutes thinking about how exactly that makes any sense whatsoever? You'd almost think Dr. Fauci led a mob into the Capitol to hang Mike Pence or something.

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SmaptyWolf said:
Bellhenmar said:
SmaptyWolf said:
Bellhenmar said:
Red&White said:
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Are you getting my trend yet. My "napkin math" is direct from the CDC. If you'd like you can click on the above link to the CDC website and see a lot of the information I provided.
As for your chances of heart inflammation being equivalent to getting hit by a meteor...the chances of a person less than 30 years old dying from Covid is even less than that. But keep shoving your head in the sand and pretending the vaccination is not a political push. And that's coming from someone that did receive the vaccine in me. But I'd never allow my kids to get it with the information that is available right now.


What you don't mention is that in almost every case of myocarditis and pericarditis, it resolved in like a week or two, usually without any medicine. These infections also happen commonly in young people after getting the flu, etc.

You then jump to the 5,479 reports of death FOR ALL AGES... even though those deaths aren't even necessarily related to the vaccine, they're almost entirely the elderly. You have any CDC statistics of specifically young people dying from the vaccine? No you don't.

Anyway, as I said before, if you're looking for something society actually is ignoring, google "long covid in kids" and buckle your seatbelt. Hospitalization and death from Covid aren't an issue for young people, but something almost as bad certainly is, and we just can't handle talking about it because everyone is sick of lockdowns. We're still figuring it out, but yea, it might turn out that Covid will be a "mass-disability event", and the young will have to live with it the longest. This ain't a disease you want if you can avoid it, no matter what your age is.

As far as vaccination being a "political push", have you ever spent a few minutes thinking about how exactly that makes any sense whatsoever? You'd almost think Dr. Fauci led a mob into the Capitol to hang Mike Pence or something.

There are no statistics on the CDC website for death ages with vaccines. I'd assume greater than 12 since that's the only ages it's given to currently. But if you take the percentages of people dying from a vaccine (of any age) it's nearly 100 times higher than the chances of dying from the disease.

As for your first statement, then explain this..."During a State College Area school board of directors meeting on Monday night, Wayne Sebastianelli Penn State's director of athletic medicine made some alarming comments about the link between COVID-19 and myocarditis, particularly in Big Ten athletes. Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.

"And we really just don't know what to do with it right now," he said.

So it's a concern here, but not with vaccines?

As for your comment about long covid in kids...the disease has only been discovered ,according to what the common public knows, for approx 18 months. How exactly do these researchers know anything more than 18 months?! That's a bogus assumption.

As for not wanting the disease, I didn't say I wanted or should anyone want it. No one should. It does kill people. But when weighing reasons for or against a vaccine the numbers I've provided you seem to be a bit more convincing, to me at least, that I don't condone vaccinating younger adults. That may change, but as of now no.



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In reply to Bellhenmar • 2:31p, 6/28/21
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There are no statistics on the CDC website for death ages with vaccines. I'd assume greater than 12 since that's the only ages it's given to currently. But if you take the percentages of people dying from a vaccine (of any age) it's nearly 100 times higher than the chances of dying from the disease.

As for your first statement, then explain this..."During a State College Area school board of directors meeting on Monday night, Wayne Sebastianelli Penn State's director of athletic medicine made some alarming comments about the link between COVID-19 and myocarditis, particularly in Big Ten athletes. Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.
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So... 323 million vaccine doses have been administered, and some small fraction of 5,479 people have died from it, almost entirely old people. Meanwhile, 34.5 million have tested positive for Covid, and 619,438 have died from it (even though yearly excess mortality statistics suggest this number is likely much higher). Not sure where you got this "100 times higher" thing, but it's detached from how math works.

But yea, it's true that myocarditis can be serious... in the case of vaccines it sounds like almost all cases were resolved quickly. But did you breeze past the ONE THIRD OF BIG TEN ATHLETES WHO TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID DEVELOPED MYOCARDITIS?!? And that's mostly asymptomatic cases, in our healthiest kids. And you think athletes, and all other kids, shouldn't get vaccinated?! Lol, allllllrighty then.
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 4:16p, 6/28/21
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There are no statistics on the CDC website for death ages with vaccines. I'd assume greater than 12 since that's the only ages it's given to currently. But if you take the percentages of people dying from a vaccine (of any age) it's nearly 100 times higher than the chances of dying from the disease.

As for your first statement, then explain this..."During a State College Area school board of directors meeting on Monday night, Wayne Sebastianelli Penn State's director of athletic medicine made some alarming comments about the link between COVID-19 and myocarditis, particularly in Big Ten athletes. Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.
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So... 323 million vaccine doses have been administered, and some small fraction of 5,479 people have died from it, almost entirely old people. Meanwhile, 34.5 million have tested positive for Covid, and 619,438 have died from it (even though yearly excess mortality statistics suggest this number is likely much higher). Not sure where you got this "100 times higher" thing, but it's detached from how math works.

But yea, it's true that myocarditis can be serious... in the case of vaccines it sounds like almost all cases were resolved quickly. But did you breeze past the ONE THIRD OF BIG TEN ATHLETES WHO TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID DEVELOPED MYOCARDITIS?!? And that's mostly asymptomatic cases, in our healthiest kids. And you think athletes, and all other kids, shouldn't get vaccinated?! Lol, allllllrighty then.
That article is from September, 2020. And was arguing the sports should not happen because of that risk. If was found it wasn't accurate. But now the vaccine actually causes it and people want to proceed as usual with vaccinating like it doesn't matter. It was bad enough they put a warning on the label of two of the largest vaccine companies literature. But yet, "the vaccine is safe..."

Hey, you do you. I'll do me. I'm tired of explaining my numbers. You haven't provided a single sentence to back up anything you've said. Just like the Fauci crowd I guess you change as info becomes available. Keep doing that, and I wish you and your family well, and I'll take care of mine.
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In reply to Bellhenmar • 4:38p, 6/28/21
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Hey, you do you. I'll do me.
Don't get me wrong, I knew I'd never penetrate your wall of crap... this conversation was for other people reading who are on the fence. I wouldn't bother if it weren't for the fact that your "freedom" actually does impact everyone around you, and does impact how well everyone else's vaccines will work long term... since the more this thing bounces around the more it mutates.

But yea, as soon as my kids are vaccinated I guess all I can do is hope the vaccine holds long enough for all you guys to get immunity the hard way. Good luck!
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 8:09p, 6/29/21
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Hey, you do you. I'll do me.
Don't get me wrong, I knew I'd never penetrate your wall of crap... this conversation was for other people reading who are on the fence. I wouldn't bother if it weren't for the fact that your "freedom" actually does impact everyone around you, and does impact how well everyone else's vaccines will work long term... since the more this thing bounces around the more it mutates.

But yea, as soon as my kids are vaccinated I guess all I can do is hope the vaccine holds long enough for all you guys to get immunity the hard way. Good luck!

It's pretty sad how many people have made a religion out of masks and vaccines.

I think it speaks to how their lives lack meaning... I just don't get it.

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