wolf howl said:Ukraine needs to find another cash cow. Most of the country does not support sending more money to Ukraine. I prefer a President who negotiates peace instead of funding proxy wars with nuclear armed nations.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:Oldsouljer said:Some people call that a mandate.FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
"Its the economy, stupid"
Agree.
This is principally a referendum on the economy. It was an unrecoverable issue for Biden/Harris evidently.
Most of these other breathless hot takes are just resulting, and filling in the blank with Mad Libs indictments of the left.
Most everyone in the country wants and needs affordable health care.
Most of the country still agrees with sensible, legal abortion.
Most of the country still wants to actively support Ukraine and Israel and our other allies.
Most of the country cares about democracy.
This was a vote for change. A lot of people were frustrated.
The country is tired of the left and Biden/Harris.
When Trump's successor is running as a defacto incumbent in 2028, then they'll likely be tired of him and whatever his flaws are too.
That's why change candidates around the globe have had such success running against incumbent leaders and their parties in recent years.
One party also completely spit in the face of their entire party by installing the candidate they wanted. Someone running for the US Presidency that literally never received a single primary vote is not "caring about democracy". It's caring about staying in power regardless of the collateral damage.
Civilized said:wolf howl said:Ukraine needs to find another cash cow. Most of the country does not support sending more money to Ukraine. I prefer a President who negotiates peace instead of funding proxy wars with nuclear armed nations.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:Oldsouljer said:Some people call that a mandate.FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
"Its the economy, stupid"
Agree.
This is principally a referendum on the economy. It was an unrecoverable issue for Biden/Harris evidently.
Most of these other breathless hot takes are just resulting, and filling in the blank with Mad Libs indictments of the left.
Most everyone in the country wants and needs affordable health care.
Most of the country still agrees with sensible, legal abortion.
Most of the country still wants to actively support Ukraine and Israel and our other allies.
Most of the country cares about democracy.
This was a vote for change. A lot of people were frustrated.
The country is tired of the left and Biden/Harris.
When Trump's successor is running as a defacto incumbent in 2028, then they'll likely be tired of him and whatever his flaws are too.
That's why change candidates around the globe have had such success running against incumbent leaders and their parties in recent years.
One party also completely spit in the face of their entire party by installing the candidate they wanted. Someone running for the US Presidency that literally never received a single primary vote is not "caring about democracy". It's caring about staying in power regardless of the collateral damage.
Sweet, hope Trump can negotiate peace with his buddy Putin.
That would be win-win-win for us and Ukraine and Russia.
SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
It is morning in America again pic.twitter.com/GNTE0cUWoc
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 6, 2024
Being mad at guys like you is like being mad at an autistic 9 year old.Gulfstream4 said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You mad?
SmaptyWolf said:Being mad at guys like you is like being mad at an autistic 9 year old.Gulfstream4 said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You mad?
SmaptyWolf said:Being mad at guys like you is like being mad at an autistic 9 year old.Gulfstream4 said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You mad?
Still can't stop the preposterous gaslighting, and projection.SmaptyWolf said:
Being mad at guys like you is like being mad at an autistic 9 year old.
Some have already taken a deal. Are you aware of the "claim of" 1000's of sealed indictments? I suspect they cover the broad spectrum of topics discussed here in the Water Cooler.Bas2020 said:caryking said:
Biden didn't get 82M votes.
I'd like to finally see a congressional deep dive into the fraud of the 2020 election . No way did 20 million people just vanish and suddenly not vote again four years later .
There are a lot of people scared ****less in the DC right now in the DOJ, FBI , IRS, etc .
Civilized said:wolf howl said:Ukraine needs to find another cash cow. Most of the country does not support sending more money to Ukraine. I prefer a President who negotiates peace instead of funding proxy wars with nuclear armed nations.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:Oldsouljer said:Some people call that a mandate.FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
"Its the economy, stupid"
Agree.
This is principally a referendum on the economy. It was an unrecoverable issue for Biden/Harris evidently.
Most of these other breathless hot takes are just resulting, and filling in the blank with Mad Libs indictments of the left.
Most everyone in the country wants and needs affordable health care.
Most of the country still agrees with sensible, legal abortion.
Most of the country still wants to actively support Ukraine and Israel and our other allies.
Most of the country cares about democracy.
This was a vote for change. A lot of people were frustrated.
The country is tired of the left and Biden/Harris.
When Trump's successor is running as a defacto incumbent in 2028, then they'll likely be tired of him and whatever his flaws are too.
That's why change candidates around the globe have had such success running against incumbent leaders and their parties in recent years.
One party also completely spit in the face of their entire party by installing the candidate they wanted. Someone running for the US Presidency that literally never received a single primary vote is not "caring about democracy". It's caring about staying in power regardless of the collateral damage.
Sweet, hope Trump can negotiate peace with his buddy Putin.
That would be win-win-win for us and Ukraine and Russia.
SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
Ncsufist said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You realize that Hispanic Americans (latinos) are for deporting illegal immigrants. We came here legally at a HUGE financial burden to our families. We want these mfers to do what we did.
Civilized said:Ncsufist said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You realize that Hispanic Americans (latinos) are for deporting illegal immigrants. We came here legally at a HUGE financial burden to our families. We want these mfers to do what we did.
I hear you.
Do you think it's worth hundreds of billions of direct associated costs?
Do you think it's worth the potentially catastrophic negative impacts to our economy especially in certain industries like agriculture and construction?
Do you think it's worth the personal tragedy of deporting the parents and grandparents of birthright citizen children that are legal US citizens and breaking up those families?
Gulfstream, since you quoted the resident idiot, I'll respond...Gulfstream4 said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You mad?
YES!!!Civilized said:Ncsufist said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You realize that Hispanic Americans (latinos) are for deporting illegal immigrants. We came here legally at a HUGE financial burden to our families. We want these mfers to do what we did.
I hear you.
Do you think it's worth hundreds of billions of direct associated costs?
Do you think it's worth the potentially catastrophic negative impacts to our economy especially in certain industries like agriculture and construction?
Do you think it's worth the personal tragedy of deporting the parents and grandparents of birthright citizen children that are legal US citizens and breaking up those families?
Actually tax the liberals so they can feel good about their virtue signaling... You want them here, pay up!!! For me, they broke a law. Take their over-used birth-right argument child with them.packgrad said:
lol at civ supporting the people that create a problem then telling the detractors that it's too expensive to fix.
I think there should be some sort of tax placed on democrats to put into a fund to pay all victims of crime from illegal immigration. Maybe if there's any money left over they can use it to buy iPads for the children that were born here to become citizens by their illegal parents that subsequently abandoned them after being deported. Can use the iPad to FaceTime the parents that left them in the USA.
Well as a white dude in the same industry, I relish the chance to get back work that was subbed out to illegals and drove the prices down on labor. Im working for the same sq ft prices as I did 15 -20 years ago in some cases, all the while forking out more money to insure my company, employees, and vehicles and do it the legal way.Glasswolf said:Civilized said:Ncsufist said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You realize that Hispanic Americans (latinos) are for deporting illegal immigrants. We came here legally at a HUGE financial burden to our families. We want these mfers to do what we did.
I hear you.
Do you think it's worth hundreds of billions of direct associated costs?
Do you think it's worth the potentially catastrophic negative impacts to our economy especially in certain industries like agriculture and construction?
Do you think it's worth the personal tragedy of deporting the parents and grandparents of birthright citizen children that are legal US citizens and breaking up those families?
It's going to affect my former industry I know. My former subcontractors are here legally but a great deal of their labor is not. If mass deportations happen they are going to be in trouble which means my industry will be in trouble. Out of 45 subs 3 are own by white Americans. The rest are Hispanic. Most of their work force are here illegally. But they are all great workers who work and go home. Rinse repeat the next day
SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
Civilized said:Ncsufist said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You realize that Hispanic Americans (latinos) are for deporting illegal immigrants. We came here legally at a HUGE financial burden to our families. We want these mfers to do what we did.
I hear you.
Do you think it's worth hundreds of billions of direct associated costs?
Do you think it's worth the potentially catastrophic negative impacts to our economy especially in certain industries like agriculture and construction?
Do you think it's worth the personal tragedy of deporting the parents and grandparents of birthright citizen children that are legal US citizens and breaking up those families?
ncsualum05 said:
I'm absolutely loving today. And I saw a meltdown clip on MSNBC. I love watching these leftists meltdowns. You'd think there would be SOME critical thought or realization about how ****ty their party is and how ****ty they have been trying to fix the system all this time. But no instead I see a clip of them talking about the latino vote and how they have to consider that there is racism in the latino community! HAHAHAH.
SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
Are your kids going to start barning tobacco, picking cotton, cucumbers? I have been a PM in the construction industry for almost 40 years. Not one single person in a PM role was a hispanic. The companies we used were for the majority owned by legal immigrants. Their workers were mostly un-documented. So when they get deported who is going to fill their roles?Skylitdrive said:Well as a white dude in the same industry, I relish the chance to get back work that was subbed out to illegals and drove the prices down on labor. Im working for the same sq ft prices as I did 15 -20 years ago in some cases, all the while forking out more money to insure my company, employees, and vehicles and do it the legal way.Glasswolf said:Civilized said:Ncsufist said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You realize that Hispanic Americans (latinos) are for deporting illegal immigrants. We came here legally at a HUGE financial burden to our families. We want these mfers to do what we did.
I hear you.
Do you think it's worth hundreds of billions of direct associated costs?
Do you think it's worth the potentially catastrophic negative impacts to our economy especially in certain industries like agriculture and construction?
Do you think it's worth the personal tragedy of deporting the parents and grandparents of birthright citizen children that are legal US citizens and breaking up those families?
It's going to affect my former industry I know. My former subcontractors are here legally but a great deal of their labor is not. If mass deportations happen they are going to be in trouble which means my industry will be in trouble. Out of 45 subs 3 are own by white Americans. The rest are Hispanic. Most of their work force are here illegally. But they are all great workers who work and go home. Rinse repeat the next day
And all the flooring companies I've worked for did bid work. Lowest bidder. We still paid these guys stupid low wages. I've had to source out manufacture certified work for "Americans" and they were twice the price as a "hispanic" certified worker. Most my subs haven't had a raise in per SF in almost 20 years. But they still work. And they did quality work. Did they complain? Yep. Did they still do the work? Yep. And they did it right. I had 2 "white" ceramic companies. Both let their sons run the hispanic crews. Guess which one called out the most?Another tile crew I subbed was from Vietnam. Great guys. The brothers were all naturalized American citizens. Their crew? All un documented from Vietnam. Never a problem. They did the ceramic at Triangle Town Center and most 250,000 sf tile jobs in NC. If they were to lose their crews they'd be screwed which in turn would have screwed me on scheduling and completition timelines.Skylitdrive said:Well as a white dude in the same industry, I relish the chance to get back work that was subbed out to illegals and drove the prices down on labor. Im working for the same sq ft prices as I did 15 -20 years ago in some cases, all the while forking out more money to insure my company, employees, and vehicles and do it the legal way.Glasswolf said:Civilized said:Ncsufist said:SmaptyWolf said:
The great irony is that Latinos nationwide handed the election to Trump. You can kiss your fantasies of mass deportations goodbye (not that the business community would have ever allowed it). Trump will pretend he's doing something, of course.
Oh, and I think we can finally put to rest that the people bawling about CHEATING last night even while there were dozens of bomb threats being called in to Dem precincts are officially complete idiots.
You realize that Hispanic Americans (latinos) are for deporting illegal immigrants. We came here legally at a HUGE financial burden to our families. We want these mfers to do what we did.
I hear you.
Do you think it's worth hundreds of billions of direct associated costs?
Do you think it's worth the potentially catastrophic negative impacts to our economy especially in certain industries like agriculture and construction?
Do you think it's worth the personal tragedy of deporting the parents and grandparents of birthright citizen children that are legal US citizens and breaking up those families?
It's going to affect my former industry I know. My former subcontractors are here legally but a great deal of their labor is not. If mass deportations happen they are going to be in trouble which means my industry will be in trouble. Out of 45 subs 3 are own by white Americans. The rest are Hispanic. Most of their work force are here illegally. But they are all great workers who work and go home. Rinse repeat the next day
