What a disaster this is…. The amount of money that's been spent is rediculous. The actions, at the lowest level of government, is really sad.

caryking said:

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What a disaster this is…. The amount of money that's been spent is rediculous. The actions, at the lowest level of government, is really sad.

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And Cary isn't the Lone Ranger. Counties like Franklin and Granville can't stop taxing and spending and the Franklin board of commissioners is theoretically majority Republican. It's 3-4 Democrat in Granville but that's irrelevant, the commissioners are all of the Uniparty.

Please remember this next time there is some sort of stupid bond initiative on the ballot. Far and away the things thats pissed me off in the last few elections have been the bond passages basically voting to voluntarily raise your taxes

The amount of "we didn't know" 's that came out of the councils mouths was insane.

And then the best part was the 10 mins they spent complaining about their salaries. No one held a gun to your head to run for council.

hokiewolf said:

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The amount of "we didn't know" 's that came out of the councils mouths was insane.

And then the best part was the 10 mins they spent complaining about their salaries. No one held a gun to your head to run for council.

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and DOGE was a waste of time...

Ok, at one time, I said that not one dime of the finding, from DOGE, were implemented into that BBB or any other bill. So, we either have rampant crap going on the federal government or not. Based on what Cary was doing and what the Council said, my hunch is that the DOGE findings were probably more true that we will ever know.

If CARY can do this, then the Federal Gov can too. And, the Fed Gov issues will probably be far more egregious.

FlossyDFlynt said:

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Please remember this next time there is some sort of stupid bond initiative on the ballot. Far and away the things thats pissed me off in the last few elections have been the bond passages basically voting to voluntarily raise your taxes

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The 2024 proposal was especially egregious. The housing bond was ok, but around half a billion for community centers, pickleball, and e-sports at a time when most people were just starting to feel the pinch of our higher cost of living and crazy housing prices. It wasn't too surprising that it failed.

I haven't followed much of the saga of the audit but I did read they flagged $24 million in p-card spending over two years, which is hard for me to understand. And the $800-a-month car stipend. Huh?

Sullivan908 said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Please remember this next time there is some sort of stupid bond initiative on the ballot. Far and away the things thats pissed me off in the last few elections have been the bond passages basically voting to voluntarily raise your taxes

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The 2024 proposal was especially egregious. The housing bond was ok, but around half a billion for community centers, pickleball, and e-sports at a time when most people were just starting to feel the pinch of our higher cost of living and crazy housing prices. It wasn't too surprising that it failed.

I haven't followed much of the saga of the audit but I did read they flagged $24 million in p-card spending over two years, which is hard for me to understand. And the $800-a-month car stipend. Huh?

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Obviously, I live in Cary, in fact, I was born and raised here ((I'm 60). Cary is no longer the town I grew up in. I certainly understand change and that it will happen. Unfortunately, some of the change has a different influence than what was considered local to me.

Regarding the p-card expenditures, well… that is going to happen and it should for efficiency sake. The issue I have are some of the comparisons I've seen with other cities. Most cities have on average less than 10% of employees having a p-card. Cary had 65%. That is egregious!

I'm a VP at the company I work for and I don't have a p-card. Now, people that work for me do. The reason I set it up that way is because I don't need one. The people on the daily grind for quick purchases have one. Our systems require clear accounting for each purchase with supporting documentation via an online solution.

when you have the proliferation, like Cary did, the controls can, and most likely will, get out of control. It becomes too easy for people. It's the old saying… people can't handle power. P-cards gives a person power?

caryking said:

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Sullivan908 said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Please remember this next time there is some sort of stupid bond initiative on the ballot. Far and away the things thats pissed me off in the last few elections have been the bond passages basically voting to voluntarily raise your taxes

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The 2024 proposal was especially egregious. The housing bond was ok, but around half a billion for community centers, pickleball, and e-sports at a time when most people were just starting to feel the pinch of our higher cost of living and crazy housing prices. It wasn't too surprising that it failed.

I haven't followed much of the saga of the audit but I did read they flagged $24 million in p-card spending over two years, which is hard for me to understand. And the $800-a-month car stipend. Huh?

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Obviously, I live in Cary, in fact, I was born and raised here ((I'm 60). Cary is no longer the town I grew up in. I certainly understand change and that it will happen. Unfortunately, some of the change has a different influence than what was considered local to me.

Regarding the p-card expenditures, well… that is going to happen and it should for efficiency sake. The issue I have are some of the comparisons I've seen with other cities. Most cities have on average less than 10% of employees having a p-card. Cary had 65%. That is egregious!

I'm a VP at the company I work for and I don't have a p-card. Now, people that work for me do. The reason I set it up that way is because I don't need one. The people on the daily grind for quick purchases have one. Our systems require clear accounting for each purchase with supporting documentation via an online solution.

when you have the proliferation, like Cary did, the controls can, and most likely will, get out of control. It becomes too easy for people. It's the old saying… people can't handle power. P-cards gives a person power?

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Odd, I always assumed the "Cary" had another meaning, not a reference to where you reside.

Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Sullivan908 said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Please remember this next time there is some sort of stupid bond initiative on the ballot. Far and away the things thats pissed me off in the last few elections have been the bond passages basically voting to voluntarily raise your taxes

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The 2024 proposal was especially egregious. The housing bond was ok, but around half a billion for community centers, pickleball, and e-sports at a time when most people were just starting to feel the pinch of our higher cost of living and crazy housing prices. It wasn't too surprising that it failed.

I haven't followed much of the saga of the audit but I did read they flagged $24 million in p-card spending over two years, which is hard for me to understand. And the $800-a-month car stipend. Huh?

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Obviously, I live in Cary, in fact, I was born and raised here ((I'm 60). Cary is no longer the town I grew up in. I certainly understand change and that it will happen. Unfortunately, some of the change has a different influence than what was considered local to me.

Regarding the p-card expenditures, well… that is going to happen and it should for efficiency sake. The issue I have are some of the comparisons I've seen with other cities. Most cities have on average less than 10% of employees having a p-card. Cary had 65%. That is egregious!

I'm a VP at the company I work for and I don't have a p-card. Now, people that work for me do. The reason I set it up that way is because I don't need one. The people on the daily grind for quick purchases have one. Our systems require clear accounting for each purchase with supporting documentation via an online solution.

when you have the proliferation, like Cary did, the controls can, and most likely will, get out of control. It becomes too easy for people. It's the old saying… people can't handle power. P-cards gives a person power?

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Odd, I always assumed the "Cary" had another meaning, not a reference to where you reside.

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For a while there it went back and forth between "cary" and "pine knoll shores", dependent upon where he was staying at that time.

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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Sullivan908 said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Please remember this next time there is some sort of stupid bond initiative on the ballot. Far and away the things thats pissed me off in the last few elections have been the bond passages basically voting to voluntarily raise your taxes

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The 2024 proposal was especially egregious. The housing bond was ok, but around half a billion for community centers, pickleball, and e-sports at a time when most people were just starting to feel the pinch of our higher cost of living and crazy housing prices. It wasn't too surprising that it failed.

I haven't followed much of the saga of the audit but I did read they flagged $24 million in p-card spending over two years, which is hard for me to understand. And the $800-a-month car stipend. Huh?

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Obviously, I live in Cary, in fact, I was born and raised here ((I'm 60). Cary is no longer the town I grew up in. I certainly understand change and that it will happen. Unfortunately, some of the change has a different influence than what was considered local to me.

Regarding the p-card expenditures, well… that is going to happen and it should for efficiency sake. The issue I have are some of the comparisons I've seen with other cities. Most cities have on average less than 10% of employees having a p-card. Cary had 65%. That is egregious!

I'm a VP at the company I work for and I don't have a p-card. Now, people that work for me do. The reason I set it up that way is because I don't need one. The people on the daily grind for quick purchases have one. Our systems require clear accounting for each purchase with supporting documentation via an online solution.

when you have the proliferation, like Cary did, the controls can, and most likely will, get out of control. It becomes too easy for people. It's the old saying… people can't handle power. P-cards gives a person power?

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Odd, I always assumed the "Cary" had another meaning, not a reference to where you reside.

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For a while there it went back and forth between "cary" and "pine knoll shores", dependent upon where he was staying at that time.

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Heh, I was actually thinking of a social misfit who destroyed their class at the high school prom with telekinetic powers. Why do you think I was never anything but nice to Cary?

Didn't the different spelling give you any hint?

TheStorm said:

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Didn't the different spelling give you any hint?

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Ok, if you're gonna be my straight man, you're gonna have to work on your delivery.

Oldsouljer said:

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TheStorm said:

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Didn't the different spelling give you any hint?

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Ok, if you're gonna be my straight man, you're gonna have to work on your delivery.

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Yeah, I could have done a better job for you on that one...

The big bad "libruhls" and taxes are why you have landscaping crews curating Cary parkway, street lights, sidewalks, that nice downtown Park, Hemlock Bluff Park, Bond Park, and why you have Medicare and social security, high speed internet, trash collection, multiple fire departments and a sufficient presence of law enforcement, among many other things.

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Born and raised in Cary! I've seen the town grow into something that has some nice things and bad things. As you probably know, the bad things is the changing political demographics.

It's funny, so many people have moved into Cary calling its small town nature a massive draw. Then, they bring their politics here and we slowly lose why those people came here in the first place. I guess they can't help themselves.

Storm is correct, I have changed my name to Pine Knoll Shores before. Unfortunately, I don't get the time to be there as often as I would like. Heck, my wife's a teacher and she spends the majority of her summer at our house there. In fact, she's there right now.

If I didn't have a daughter that lives in the Cary area, I would pack my stuff and move to Pine Knoll Shores. Currently, we have a home in the Regency area of Cary. As much as I like my home, I'd sell it tomorrow to get out of Cary. The liberal influence has destroyed (my opinion) this community.

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Nairo said:

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The big bad "libruhls" and taxes are why you have landscaping crews curating Cary parkway, street lights, sidewalks, that nice downtown Park, Hemlock Bluff Park, Bond Park, and why you have Medicare and social security, high speed internet, trash collection, multiple fire departments and a sufficient presence of law enforcement, among many other things.

caryking said:

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Born and raised in Cary! I've seen the town grow into something that has some nice things and bad things. As you probably know, the bad things is the changing political demographics.

It's funny, so many people have moved into Cary calling its small town nature a massive draw. Then, they bring their politics here and we slowly lose why those people came here in the first place. I guess they can't help themselves.

Storm is correct, I have changed my name to Pine Knoll Shores before. Unfortunately, I don't get the time to be there as often as I would like. Heck, my wife's a teacher and she spends the majority of her summer at our house there. In fact, she's there right now.

If I didn't have a daughter that lives in the Cary area, I would pack my stuff and move to Pine Knoll Shores. Currently, we have a home in the Regency area of Cary. As much as I like my home, I'd sell it tomorrow to get out of Cary. The liberal influence has destroyed (my opinion) this community.

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Ok, I've had some of that forever. The downtown Park?? I'll pass on that.