Oldsouljer said:

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How do I know those attacking you aren't right wing zealots false-flagging as left wing extremists? :B

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Love this. Well done.

Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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How do I know those attacking you aren't right wing zealots false-flagging as left wing extremists? :B

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Love this. Well done.

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You just live in such a libtard bubble safe space that you think that "everyone" must view the world through the communist leftist Establishment-worshiping lens that you do, and you can't imagine anyone with views such as myself actually existing.

GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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How do I know those attacking you aren't right wing zealots false-flagging as left wing extremists? :B

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Love this. Well done.

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You just live in such a libtard bubble safe space that you think that "everyone" must view the world through the communist leftist Establishment-worshiping lens that you do, and you can't imagine anyone with views such as myself actually existing.

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On display..........why our country is such perilous times.

I haven't seen many polls like this on major social media, so just thought the results were interesting.

My view isn't really as "extreme minority" as some might think. The "flat earth movement" exploded back around 2015-16 and has been growing substantially since then.

And this isn't some "far right" or "conspiracy theorist" YouTube channel. It's just some "normie" channel that posts a bunch of cat and dog shorts and random poll questions.




https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxiHll5x9fFlHM4uXBcjPLovTqxUBT4Mja



And this one jives with most of the recent polls I've seen which show that around 20% of the public believes the "moon landings" are hoaxes.



https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxFfcYsTC4mLGmukZpCiuNfzlzEMr_lZSL

12% is an extreme minority, or at least says you when it comes to things you disagree with. Own your craziness bro.

hokiewolf said:

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12% is an extreme minority, or at least says you when it comes to things you disagree with. Own your craziness bro.

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I wouldn't call that "extreme" minority at all. That's 1 in 8 people who agree with me....that the earth is not a spinning ball flying through space. One out of every eight people you see. Something "extreme" minority would be like 1%, 2%, or 3%.

Being called "crazy" by someone the likes of you is a badge of honor.

True "crazy" is people who celebrate and promote mass murdering millions of unborn children, claim that unborn children "are not human beings", have jumped on board with the "70 genders" and transgender insanity, support sending children to be groomed and given lap dances at drag queen story time, and support communism (masquerading as "liberalism").

That's who's truly insane....brainwashed libtards who go along with a sick malevolent Satanic political agenda that says men can become women and there are 470 genders.

Is it 70 different genders or 470? Seems like a big difference

hokiewolf said:

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Is it 70 different genders or 470? Seems like a big difference

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It's whatever your Satanic communist DemonRat overlords tell you to believe....and all the brainwashed braindead degenerate libtard lemmings will believe it or go along with it. It changes from day to day. Could be 70 today, 470 tomorrow. They discover new genders every day, right? Today, the Satanic Marxist tyrants tell you men can become women. Tomorrow they will say that human beings can change their species and become "trans"-human. And all the libtard lemmings will go along with it. Today they say that men can marry men. Tomorrow they will say men can marry dogs. And all the degenerate libtard lemmings will go along with it.

It really triggers you to know that there's a LOT more people out there who agree with me on these issues than you thought or were willing to admit, doesn't it??

GuerrillaPack said:

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It really triggers you to know that there's a LOT more people out there who agree with me on these issues than you thought or were willing to admit, doesn't it??

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congrats on flat earthers being 2% more prominent then the gays i guess

hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Is it 70 different genders or 470? Seems like a big difference

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It's whatever your Satanic communist DemonRat overlords tell you to believe....and all the brainwashed braindead degenerate libtard lemmings will believe it or go along with it. It changes from day to day. Could be 70 today, 470 tomorrow. They discover new genders every day, right? Today, the Satanic Marxist tyrants tell you men can become women. Tomorrow they will say that human beings can change their species and become "trans"-human. And all the libtard lemmings will go along with it. Today they say that men can marry men. Tomorrow they will say men can marry dogs. And all the degenerate libtard lemmings will go along with it.

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I believe in three genders - male, female, and flat earther idiots.

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What's truly idiotic and worthy of infinite ridicule is to believe that the universe was created by random chance after a big bang explosion, and the earth is a rock spinning and flying through space at millions of miles per hour (with the atmosphere somehow velcroed to the earth and not blowing away), and that humans evolved from bacteria that came into existence after lightning struck the primordial soup.

That's the "science" that commie libtard idiots believe in. From the same liars who tell you it's "science" to believe that "unborn children are not human beings" and now say there are "70 genders" and that men can become women. The gullible lemmings who believe all this preposterous nonsense (along with the rest of the astronomically absurd BS that your Luciferian anti-Christ Marxist overlords brainwash you to believe) are the TRUE ultimate morons among us who are truly mentally ill and worthy of being mocked and treated with contempt.

dogplasma said:

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Just a thought, but if flat earth people really wanted to prove it to themselves, one way to do it would be to start a GoFundMe for some plane tickets and a compass. Wouldn't really cost that much. Even just a single person willing to pony up would do it. Just keep flying east until you get back home. Use the compass to verify you never fly west. If you make it home while only going east, you've debunked a flat earth (unless the compass makers are "in on it"). It would be so easy and you could see the world!

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No. Because true east on the flat earth that we live on is defined as a moving in a direction counter-clockwise perpendicular to a line going from your location to the center of the earth (ie, the North Pole). If you travel east, you travel in a perfect circle and do come back to the exact same spot. South is moving away from the center of the earth (the North Pole) in every direction.



Contrary to the lies that people have been brainwashed to believe, the reality that we live on a flat earth is verifiable by all the evidence we can observe. For example, all large bodies of water on the earth (oceans, lakes) are completely flat. There are no large bodies of water with curved surfaces. There are tons of videos on YouTube, for example, of people doing laser tests across lakes (over distances of 5, 10, 15+ miles, etc) and showing that the surface of the water is completely flat.

GuerrillaPack said:

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dogplasma said:

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Just a thought, but if flat earth people really wanted to prove it to themselves, one way to do it would be to start a GoFundMe for some plane tickets and a compass. Wouldn't really cost that much. Even just a single person willing to pony up would do it. Just keep flying east until you get back home. Use the compass to verify you never fly west. If you make it home while only going east, you've debunked a flat earth (unless the compass makers are "in on it"). It would be so easy and you could see the world!

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No. Because true east on the flat earth that we live on is defined as a moving in a direction counter-clockwise perpendicular to a line going from your location to the center of the earth (ie, the North Pole). If you travel east, you travel in a perfect circle and do come back to the exact same spot. South is moving away from the center of the earth (the North Pole) in every direction.



Contrary to the lies that people have been brainwashed to believe, the reality that we live on a flat earth is verifiable by all the evidence we can observe. For example, all large bodies of water on the earth (oceans, lakes) are completely flat. There are no large bodies of water with curved surfaces. There are tons of videos on YouTube, for example, of people doing laser tests across lakes (over distances of 5, 10, 15+ miles, etc) and showing that the surface of the water is completely flat.

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Ok, so fly a plane south (or even southeast/southwest), then don't stop until you get home. Anyone conjured up a ridiculous reason why that won't work?

SmaptyWolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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dogplasma said:

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Just a thought, but if flat earth people really wanted to prove it to themselves, one way to do it would be to start a GoFundMe for some plane tickets and a compass. Wouldn't really cost that much. Even just a single person willing to pony up would do it. Just keep flying east until you get back home. Use the compass to verify you never fly west. If you make it home while only going east, you've debunked a flat earth (unless the compass makers are "in on it"). It would be so easy and you could see the world!

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No. Because true east on the flat earth that we live on is defined as a moving in a direction counter-clockwise perpendicular to a line going from your location to the center of the earth (ie, the North Pole). If you travel east, you travel in a perfect circle and do come back to the exact same spot. South is moving away from the center of the earth (the North Pole) in every direction.



Contrary to the lies that people have been brainwashed to believe, the reality that we live on a flat earth is verifiable by all the evidence we can observe. For example, all large bodies of water on the earth (oceans, lakes) are completely flat. There are no large bodies of water with curved surfaces. There are tons of videos on YouTube, for example, of people doing laser tests across lakes (over distances of 5, 10, 15+ miles, etc) and showing that the surface of the water is completely flat.

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Ok, so fly a plane south (or even southeast/southwest), then don't stop until you get home. Anyone conjured up a ridiculous reason why that won't work?

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I like the two pieces of Antartica on the complete opposite ends of the "flat earth"... but we've had plenty of people cross the actual South Pole as well.

Lol. That map he posted was ******ed.

The best thing about believing these insane conspiracy theories is you can just ignore every piece of confirmed, elementary knowledge put before you and keep yelling into the void without repercussion. You don't have to start with anything factual, refuse to have any open conversation about the topic you are railing on, and just reply with buzz words when someone refutes you. An easy, simple life really.

Ah well, with any luck some of lessons from this conversation will bleed into other corners of the Water Cooler where people breathlessly post the latest shocking finding from paid-by-the-click-conspiracy-horsecrap.com or wherever.

PackBacker07 said:

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The best thing about believing these insane conspiracy theories is you can just ignore every piece of confirmed, elementary knowledge put before you and keep yelling into the void without repercussion. You don't have to start with anything factual, refuse to have any open conversation about the topic you are railing on, and just reply with buzz words when someone refutes you. An easy, simple life really.

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Absolute projection. That's the world of pure delusion that degenerate, brainwashed, braindead libtarded leftists live in. A fantasy land where there are 70 genders, men can become women, unborn children "are not human", communism will bring a utopia, God "doesn't exist", and we all came into existence by random chance after a big explosion.

The modern "science" that libtard atheist commies believe in is what is actually based on ZERO evidence whatsoever -- just pure fantasy-land theories of a big explosion happening 14 billion years ago, lightning striking the primordial soup, bacteria turning into human beings...and outright lies and frauds like the "ape-human missing link fossils" that were deliberate frauds (like "Piltdown man" and "Nebraska man").

That's the "science" that is actually nothing but pure insanity. And then people want to trust these faux "scientists" with their claims about the shape/nature of the earth...that it is a rock spinning and flying through space at millions of miles an hour.

They do present arguments but some are truly bizarre. I watched a few minutes of one of the videos linked above and one of the various arguments against the moon being real (a solid sphere) is that you can see stars through the shaded side of the moon.

SmaptyWolf said:

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Ah well, with any luck some of lessons from this conversation will bleed into other corners of the Water Cooler where people breathlessly post the latest shocking finding from paid-by-the-click-conspiracy-horsecrap.com or wherever.

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Oh, the horror. People with different views than the garbage that the Leftist Establishment force feeds down everyone's throats. What do we do with these people? Do we need to censor these people who dare to disagree with the "mainstream" worldview that everyone is brainwashed to believe?

"Conspiracy theory" = stupid label that the communist Establishment uses to demonize any truth they don't want the public knowing.

dogplasma said:

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Ha, ok, I'm no quitter. Alternative suggestion: Since the distance from, say, Rio de Janeiro to Cape Town must be not just a little further but *drastically* further than, say, Miami to Lisbon (by a factor of 5 or 6 apparently), you can book those flights and find out first hand. Both those routes look about the same on your classical round earth. In fact, you can probably just look up the flight times on line, but I think it's important to prove it to yourself.

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I'm glad you brought up the issue of flight paths. Because they are yet another solid proof that disproves the "globe earth" theory, and proves the flat earth model. It is blatantly obvious when you look at the flight paths from places in the southern "hemisphere" to other places in the southern "hemisphere" -- such as flights from Brazil and Argentina to South Africa or Australia. Virtually all of these flights make strange layovers in cities in the northern "hemisphere", and do not just fly straight over the southern Pacific, southern Atlantic or Indian oceans. It makes no sense on the "globe earth" model, but perfect sense when you look at a flat earth map.

Explained very well in this video.



Also, here are live commercial airline trackers, showing hundreds of planes at any time. Try to find a plane flying out in the very middle of the southern Pacific, southern Atlantic, or Indian Oceans. I don't see any. Meanwhile, you can see dozens of planes out over the very middle of the northern Atlantic and northern Pacific.

https://www.flightradar24.com/-43.71,-97.79/2

https://www.flightaware.com/live/

dogplasma said:

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Ha, ok, I'm no quitter. Alternative suggestion: Since the distance from, say, Rio de Janeiro to Cape Town must be not just a little further but *drastically* further than, say, Miami to Lisbon (by a factor of 5 or 6 apparently), you can book those flights and find out first hand. Both those routes look about the same on your classical round earth. In fact, you can probably just look up the flight times on line, but I think it's important to prove it to yourself.

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This is exhausting, you're a better man than I to pursue this.

SmaptyWolf said:

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Lol, now you know how the rest of us feel trying to talk to MAGA people. "Oh, you think the sky is blue? Well check out this sketchy YouTube video... the lamestream media will NEVER report this!"

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Rrrriiiiiight. It's those who question and reject the Establishment who are "sketchy" and "crazy". Not the Leftist Establishment (Marxist-controlled media/Hollywood/academia/etc complex) that tells you there are 70 genders, men can become women, promotes children being groomed by pedophiles and given lap dances at drag queen shows, religiously promotes mass murder of unborn children, and foams at the mouth to take your guns and turn the country into a Soviet-style police state. Those are the guys you can trust. Not those "nutballs" that reject the Leftist insanity.

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Not veering off into tangents - just throwing out a fairly easy DIY test that anyone might accept.

Go to Expedia and look up the Sept.28 flight from GRU (Sao Paulo) to JNB (Johannesburg) on LATAM airlines. There aren't a ton of direct flights between these places but this is one. It's an 8 hr 40 min flight. Next, look up the Sept.26 flight from MIA to LIS (Lisbon) on TAP airlines. It's an 8 hr 20 min direct flight. On a globe, these two paths are about the same but in different hemispheres. Finally, look at your flat earth map and see if these flight times make any sense at all given the massive distance disparity. Are the times faked? Are these real flights? Go book them and find out firsthand.

At the same time, you can check that you can see the sun off in the distance throughout these overnight flights since the sun is circling above the earth. Bonus points for that.

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Just checked. There's almost four dozen flights from Sao Paulo to Johannesburg listed, and only 1 non-stop flight advertised. And it's not 8 hrs, 40 minutes. It's 9 hrs and 55 minutes.

The issue of how few direct flights are offered/advertised was addressed in the video I linked. Often these alleged direct flights are cancelled. And even if some of them are actual direct flights, the distance travelled is going to be further than what a globe model would indicate.

dogplasma said:

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Well there you go - book that flight, man!! Makes no difference how many flights they offer - you just need to be on one of them. It's a vacation for science.

Oh, and don't forget you need to take the MIA-LIS flight also. This thing doesn't work unless you take both flights.

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I have been offering overwhelming proof that the spinning and flying globe theory, heliocentric theory, Big Bang theory of cosmology is false. But you act like the burden of proof is all on me. How about applying some of your demands for proof on the anti-Christ Marxist faux "scientific" Establishment, who is lying about everything else. Sure, they lie about everything...but they're "telling the truth" about cosmology??

SmaptyWolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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dogplasma said:

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Ha, ok, I'm no quitter. Alternative suggestion: Since the distance from, say, Rio de Janeiro to Cape Town must be not just a little further but *drastically* further than, say, Miami to Lisbon (by a factor of 5 or 6 apparently), you can book those flights and find out first hand. Both those routes look about the same on your classical round earth. In fact, you can probably just look up the flight times on line, but I think it's important to prove it to yourself.

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This is exhausting, you're a better man than I to pursue this.

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Lol, now you know how the rest of us feel trying to talk to MAGA people. "Oh, you think the sky is blue? Well check out this sketchy YouTube video... the lamestream media will NEVER report this!"

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That's a bit of a sweeping generalization, I want to make America great again too.

Oldsouljer said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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dogplasma said:

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Ha, ok, I'm no quitter. Alternative suggestion: Since the distance from, say, Rio de Janeiro to Cape Town must be not just a little further but *drastically* further than, say, Miami to Lisbon (by a factor of 5 or 6 apparently), you can book those flights and find out first hand. Both those routes look about the same on your classical round earth. In fact, you can probably just look up the flight times on line, but I think it's important to prove it to yourself.

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This is exhausting, you're a better man than I to pursue this.

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Lol, now you know how the rest of us feel trying to talk to MAGA people. "Oh, you think the sky is blue? Well check out this sketchy YouTube video... the lamestream media will NEVER report this!"

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That's a bit of a sweeping generalization, I want to make America great again too.

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They want to make America communist, and a new Sodom and Gomorrah, where trans freaks rule over us and they force children to get lap dances from drag queens.

I would say, yes, burden of proof *is* on you (or your community). Like it or not, a round earth is as established, accepted, and utilized as any physical fact. If that's going to change, then "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

Anyway, I didn't really expect you'd book the flights, but the point was that the option is available to test out, firsthand, that flat earth map you posted in the thread that you started. That's all.

dogplasma said:

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I would say, yes, burden of proof *is* on you (or your community). Like it or not, a round earth is as established, accepted, and utilized as any physical fact. If that's going to change, then "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

Anyway, I didn't really expect you'd book the flights, but the point was that the option is available to test out, firsthand, that flat earth map you posted in the thread that you started. That's all.

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The burden of proof is on everyone making a claim...not just one side. And the burden of proof is especially on the criminal Establishment that has been proven over and over and over to be lying to the masses on virtually every major issue...engaging in massive levels of deception in order to push their atheistic anti-Christ tyrannical communist agenda.

The spherical earth theory (and larger heliocentric, orthodox cosmological model of a Big Bang explosion causing all the stars and planets to be flying around in space in an ever-expanding universe) is most certainly not a fact. Not at all. It can be conclusively proven to be false. I've only scratched the surface of the evidence that proves that in this thread. The Marxist-controlled faux "scientific" Establishment peddles a ton of theories as if they were a "fact", when they are not facts at all -- such as the theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, etc. The heliocentric model and claim of a spherical earth are also just theories -- just like evolution and the Big Bang.