Just another "crazy conspiracy theory" that was "dreamed up out of thin air" by those "insane conspiracy theorists", right??

Nope. The conspiracy realists were right yet again, as usual. It's now increasingly admitted by the commie Establishment Lamestream media...so now it will be "true" even to the normie Stockholm Syndrome Lamestream-swilling Establishment-worshipping conspiracy deniers.

Here's a story from just yesterday on Good Morning America how they are using "cloud seeding" (spraying the atmosphere with silver iodide), in order to increase rainfall. The story says this is being used in at least 10 states.

And whatta ya know...they are using the "climate change" hoax as the excuse to spray the skies with toxic chemicals. Who could have imagined that? The climate change hoax can be used as the boogeyman to blame for everything and excuse to enact nearly every aspect of the communist NWO Establishment agenda -- blamed as the "cause" of the rise in heart problems over just the last few years (actually caused by the covid vaxx), the "cause" of mass illegal immigration, the "need" to phase out cheap fossil fuels and lower our standard of living, the "need" to create huge new taxes (eg, "carbon taxes") to give governments more power, the "need" to abolish eating cattle and other livestock and make us eat bugs, etc.

When I went to college for meteorology, cloud seeding was “inefficient & expensive.” That is NOT the case today. 42 projects in 10 states w/ hundreds of ground based cloud seeders sending silver iodide into storms to make them snow more than they naturally would. More on @GMA… pic.twitter.com/DVKPSkmK2B

— Ginger Zee (@Ginger_Zee) April 17, 2023

The Colorado River and its critical reservoirs, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, have seen historic lows but "cloud seeding" could help give Mother Nature a boost. @ginger_zee has more on the technique, which is in use among 10 Western states. pic.twitter.com/nWCRAXZV2o

— Good Morning America (@GMA) April 18, 2023

The fake "journalist" TV head admits that cloud seeding has been used since the 1940s. Looks like those "crazy conspiracy theorists" have been right about those weird chemtrails in the sky for far longer than we thought.

Thank you! And yes it’s been around since the 1940s but huge advances in research and application the last few years (it’s gotten cheaper with ground seeding being done remotely). https://t.co/il86WrfYdG

— Ginger Zee (@Ginger_Zee) April 18, 2023

This didn't just start a few years ago, and just to cause rainfall. They've been spraying the skies for many other (nefarious) reasons, and have been doing it for decades.

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"Just another "crazy conspiracy theory" that was "dreamed up out of thin air" by those "insane conspiracy theorists", right?" Right!

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Wow, what a compelling argument. That "totally refutes" the report I just posted of your precious commie Establishment Lamestream media admitting that they are spraying chemicals from planes for "cloud seeding" to cause/increase precipitation.

I have another damning admission for you...

The UK Government admitted that their military sprayed bacteria, zinc cadmium sulphide and other chemicals from planes flying over the country in "germ warfare tests" from 1955 to 1963. Of course, it's probably still going on.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

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Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

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The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

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One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

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And note (bolded by me at end of snippet) that the US Military was involved and assisting the UK military in these chemtrail sprayings. But the US Military would "never" do that on American citizens, right??

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Do I think that all airplanes that are flying at high altitudes producing condensation from their engine exhaust constitutes proof that this is actually all airplanes spraying chemical into the air to poison us? No, your article doesn't prove this is anything other than a conspiracy theory.

Does your article show that there is limited experimentation on cloud seeding in an attempt to produce rain? And is that chemical potentially harmful in large doses? Yes, that is true.

But one instance of experimentation does not mean that your typical Boeing 787 or Airbus a320 is also dispensing chemicals over the US.

Because you believe this to be true, this makes me believe you are a conspiracy theorist.

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Complete strawman. I never said that "the typical Boeing 787" (eg, typical passenger aircraft) was dispensing chemicals. My position is that select military/government aircraft are engaging in this chemical spraying -- as proven by the articles I posted.

Your incredibly weak strawman argument disproves nothing I have posted.

And then you think that by calling me a name, using the "magic" term "conspiracy theorist", that this term has power and "disproves" my position by the mere emotional and magical power of the term. That's ad hominem name-calling...appeal to emotion.

I'm not talking about theories here. I've posted the evidence that proves my position. It's conspiracy fact. Not theory.

Carry on with your blatant disinformation tactics -- Ad hominem name-calling, strawman.

I've always called them contrails...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-jets-leave-a-white/#:~:text=The%20nature%20and%20persistence%20of,early%20indicator%20of%20a%20storm.

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But one instance of experimentation does not mean that your typical Boeing 787 or Airbus a320 is also dispensing chemicals over the US.

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"One instance"?? One??

You mean that experimentation that went on from 1940 to 1979, per the article? Almost 40 years. "One instance"?? Where they were spraying the skies over the United Kingdom with planes from 1955 to 1963.

And that's just what's been admitted via the release of a few documents. For all we know, such spraying has only continued since 1979 over the United Kingdom up to this day, in the ~40 years since.

I'm not a theorist. I'm a conspiracy REALIST. I deal in facts, evidence, and reality. But the problem with people like you is that you don't want to even consider or look at the evidence. I highly doubt you read the article. You knee-jerk reject the evidence before even considering anything that goes against your pre-conceived beliefs.

You are a conspiracy denier. In spite of mountains of evidence (non only on this issue, but dozens of others), you go to great lengths to deny the reality and evidence, in order to stick to your comfortable pre-conceived ingrained view that "the government and Establishment loves me and is good and would never do anything wrong or lie to me".

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Negative, you said you were proving that chemtrails are not a conspiracy theory with your "proof". I disagree because the chemtrails theory majority opinion is that all the trails you see from airplanes are chemtrails, not just government airplanes.

So, in that context, I cannot agree with your assertion that it is not a conspiracy theory. Additionally, I still do not understand what the point it is you're making. A lot of countries did a lot of stupid **** immediately after WWII, this I agree with you on. That does not prove that they continued to do stupid **** up until today.

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You are ascribing what you view as a "majority opinion" (which is probably not even true) to what I am personally asserting here. I'm not arguing what you are asserting: that "all trails from planes are chemtrails".

You are shooting down a strawman argument. It's pathetic. It's the sign of someone who has lost the argument.

Yes, you have "won" the debate against your strawman argument, against some "majority opinion" that may or may not exist. But you have NOT disproven my argument. My argument is that select government and military aircraft are spraying the skies with chemicals. And I've proven that with just a few examples. And you can NOT disprove that argument. Because I have the evidence on my side.

GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Negative, you said you were proving that chemtrails are not a conspiracy theory with your "proof". I disagree because the chemtrails theory majority opinion is that all the trails you see from airplanes are chemtrails, not just government airplanes.

So, in that context, I cannot agree with your assertion that it is not a conspiracy theory. Additionally, I still do not understand what the point it is you're making. A lot of countries did a lot of stupid **** immediately after WWII, this I agree with you on. That does not prove that they continued to do stupid **** up until today.

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You are ascribing what you view as a "majority opinion" (which is probably not even true) to what I am personally asserting here. I'm not arguing what you are asserting: that "all trails from planes are chemtrails".

You are shooting down a strawman argument. It's pathetic. It's the sign of someone who has lost the argument.

Yes, you have "won" the debate against your strawman argument, against some "majority opinion" that may or may not exist. But you have NOT disproven my argument. My argument is that select government and military aircraft are spraying the skies with chemicals. And I've proven that with just a few examples. And you can NOT disprove that argument. Because I have the evidence on my side.

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GP, are you saying that you and Hokie are not speaking about the same airplanes?

Hokie is speaking about commercial airplanes
You are speaking about government and military airplanes

So, in essence, you both can be correct, right?

Hopefully there's no one here that actually believes the government would NOT experiment on their own people at this point. Literal decades of evidence where this has occurred not to mention the last few years.

The most interesting thing here is they are openly admitting to this piece of it now whereas in the past it was absolutely called a conspiracy theory and not something actually being done. It should make you wonder that if they are OK with you knowing this now, what else are they doing and keeping quiet as I really doubt they stopped with this in terms of weather modification.

It was exposed years back that the U.S. Military has conducted many biological warfare "tests" on U.S. citizens (involving spraying of chemicals in the air), similar to the tests conducted in the UK I posted above (in The Guardian article).

This one military program (including "Operation Large Area Coverage" and "Operation Sea Spray") went on for at least 20 years (1949 to 1969), involving at least 239 different biological warfare tests, including chemtrails of zinc cadmium sulfide being sprayed from planes.

As I mentioned with the U.K. experiments, don't conclude that it "only" occurred during those years, and only these 239 tests from this one program. This is likely only the tip of the iceberg of what has been going on. It probably involves thousands (or tens of thousands) of "tests" and has only continued (and accelerated) in frequency since 1969.

Also, what the U.S. Military is spraying, while claimed by the military to be "harmless", is actually toxic as contested by most medical experts. From what I just read in this Business Insider article below, at least one person died in San Francisco from the bacteria that the military sprayed over the city.

If you don't like the Business Insider, this same story has been reported by other outlets including the Washington Post, the Sun Sentinel, and many others.

These articles show that this stuff was being exposed all the way back to around 1980, with "news" of it popping up again over the years (around 2002, etc). But obviously it hasn't been that highly publicized, since so few people know about it. This explains why only a few people who are paying attention (ie, the "conspiracy theorists"), are aware of these U.S. Military chemtrail programs and either suspicious or warning of them still being conducted to this day.


https://www.businessinsider.com/military-government-secret-experiments-biological-chemical-weapons-2016-9

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Over and over again, the military has conducted dangerous biowarfare experiments on Americans

Sep 25, 2016

On September 20, 1950, a US Navy ship just off the coast of San Francisco used a giant hose to spray a cloud of microbes into the air and into the city's famous fog. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city.

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It was one of the first large-scale biological weapon trials that would be conducted under a "germ warfare testing program" that went on for 20 years, from 1949 to 1969. The goal "was to deter [the use of biological weapons] against the United States and its allies and to retaliate if deterrence failed," the government explained later. "Fundamental to the development of a deterrent strategy was the need for a thorough study and analysis of our vulnerability to overt and covert attack."

Of the 239 known tests in that program, San Francisco was notable for two reasons, according to Dr. Leonard Cole, who documented the episode in his book "Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas."

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"Every one of the [biological and chemical] agents the Army used had been challenged" by medical reports, he says, despite the Army's contention in public hearings that they'd selected "harmless simulants" of biological weapons.

"They're all considered pathogens now," Cole says.

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The military tested how a biological or chemical weapon would spread throughout the country by spraying bacteria as well as various chemical powders including an especially controversial one called zinc cadmium sulfide. Low flying airplanes would take off, sometimes near the Canadian border, "and they would fly down through the Midwest," dropping their payloads over cities, says Cole.

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I didn't even mention yet one of the biggest admitted uses of "chemtrails" and weather modification: what they are now calling "geoengineering", which involves spraying chemicals in the atmosphere to reflect sunlight away from earth, in order to "fight global warming".

White House Is Pushing Ahead Research to Cool Earth by Reflecting Back Sunlight https://t.co/vr8pBg9AIe

— NBC4 Washington (@nbcwashington) October 13, 2022

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• The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy is coordinating a five-year research plan to study ways of modifying the amount of sunlight that reaches the Earth in order to temporarily temper the effects of global warming.
• There are several kinds of sunlight-reflection technology being considered, including stratospheric aerosol injection, marine cloud brightening and cirrus cloud thinning.
• Stratospheric aerosol injection involves spraying an aerosol like sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, and because it has the potential to affect the entire globe, often gets the most attention.
• While arguments of moral hazard have handicapped research efforts, the idea is getting more urgent attention in the worsening climate crisis.

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Some of the techniques, such as spraying sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere, are known to have harmful effects on the environment and human health. But scientists and climate leaders who are concerned that humanity will overshoot its emissions targets say research is important to figure out how best to balance these risks against a possibly catastrophic rise in the Earth's temperature.

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Oh, how nice....they even admit that spraying this sulfur dioxide is harmful to human health. But who cares, right? Because we must take any extreme measure necessary in order to "save the world" from the BASELESS fear-mongering of an "imminent cataclysm of global warming".

Who's to say that they haven't already been engaging in this "geoengineering" and spraying these chemicals in the atmosphere for many years, and are just now sort of "announcing" it to the public, in order to try to get us to accept it.

Oh lookie...announced in the last day....

The UK Government to "officially" approve "geoengineering" spraying of chemicals in the atmosphere, allegedly to "dim the sunlight in order to fight global warming".

And here's a newsflash. They have ALREADY been doing this for many years, for certain. They are just now announcing it and making it "official".

In other words, the so-called "chemtrails" that the "CRAAAZY conspiracy theorists" have been talking about for years.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/22/uk-scientists-outdoor-geoengineering-experiments

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UK scientists to launch outdoor geoengineering experiments

Tue 22 April 2025

UK scientists are to launch outdoor geoengineering experiments as part of a 50m government-funded programme.

The experiments will be small-scale and rigorously assessed, according to Advanced Research and Invention Agency (Aria), the UK government agency backing the plan, and will provide "critical" data needed to assess the potential of the technology. The programme, along with another 11m project, will make the UK one of the biggest funders of geoengineering research in the world.

Geoengineering is controversial and some previous planned outdoor experiments have been cancelled after strong opposition. Most geoengineering proposals aim to block sunlight reaching the Earth's surface, for example by launching clouds of reflective particles into the atmosphere or using seawater sprays to make clouds brighter.

If successful, this could temporarily reduce surface temperatures and the harm the climate crisis is causing, giving more time for the deep cuts in global carbon emissions needed. Given the failure of the world to stop emissions rising to date, and the recent run of record hot years, backers of solar geoengineering say researching the issue is vital in case an emergency brake is needed.

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Yahoo News

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Experiments to dim the Sun get green light

Sarah Knapton
Tue, April 22, 2025 at 3:17 PM EDT

Experiments to dim sunlight to fight global warming will be given the green light by the Government within weeks.

Outdoor field trials which could include injecting aerosols into the atmosphere, or brightening clouds to reflect sunshine, are being considered by scientists as a way to prevent runaway climate change.

Aria, the Government's advanced research and invention funding agency, has set aside 50 million for projects, which will be announced in the coming weeks.

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Dangerous people seem to be in the same group, time and again.

BREAKING: 🚨 THE UK IS ABOUT TO TRY AND “DIM THE SUN” 🚨

Yes, you read that right.

🌫️ In the next few days, Britain will begin geoengineering experiments to block sunlight from reaching the earth — in a scheme straight out of a dystopian sci-fi novel.

💰 Funded and championed… pic.twitter.com/RJok1jdne3

— Jim Ferguson (@JimFergusonUK) April 24, 2025

People were ridiculed for years (decades) as "CRAAAAAZZY conspiracy theorists" for talking about chemtrails.

Now suddenly after "Establishment" organizations and governments admit they are doing it, it's not so "crazy" any more, is it?

WHAT OTHER "suuuper crazy" beliefs have the so-called "conspiracy theorists" been right about all along? But will only be acknowledged years into the future when governments admit the truth? The "moon landings" being a hoax? Flat earth? The plan for a one-world government? The plan for a cashless society with a Chinese social credit score system whereby people can only buy or sell if they abide by Govt/communist tyranny?

https://instagr.am/p/DJXWsygtDHS

GuerrillaPack said:

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Just another "crazy conspiracy theory" that was "dreamed up out of thin air" by those "insane conspiracy theorists", right??

Nope. The conspiracy realists were right yet again, as usual. It's now increasingly admitted by the commie Establishment Lamestream media...so now it will be "true" even to the normie Stockholm Syndrome Lamestream-swilling Establishment-worshipping conspiracy deniers.

Here's a story from just yesterday on Good Morning America how they are using "cloud seeding" (spraying the atmosphere with silver iodide), in order to increase rainfall. The story says this is being used in at least 10 states.

And whatta ya know...they are using the "climate change" hoax as the excuse to spray the skies with toxic chemicals. Who could have imagined that? The climate change hoax can be used as the boogeyman to blame for everything and excuse to enact nearly every aspect of the communist NWO Establishment agenda -- blamed as the "cause" of the rise in heart problems over just the last few years (actually caused by the covid vaxx), the "cause" of mass illegal immigration, the "need" to phase out cheap fossil fuels and lower our standard of living, the "need" to create huge new taxes (eg, "carbon taxes") to give governments more power, the "need" to abolish eating cattle and other livestock and make us eat bugs, etc.

When I went to college for meteorology, cloud seeding was “inefficient & expensive.” That is NOT the case today. 42 projects in 10 states w/ hundreds of ground based cloud seeders sending silver iodide into storms to make them snow more than they naturally would. More on @GMA… pic.twitter.com/DVKPSkmK2B

— Ginger Zee (@Ginger_Zee) April 17, 2023

The Colorado River and its critical reservoirs, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, have seen historic lows but "cloud seeding" could help give Mother Nature a boost. @ginger_zee has more on the technique, which is in use among 10 Western states. pic.twitter.com/nWCRAXZV2o

— Good Morning America (@GMA) April 18, 2023

The fake "journalist" TV head admits that cloud seeding has been used since the 1940s. Looks like those "crazy conspiracy theorists" have been right about those weird chemtrails in the sky for far longer than we thought.

Thank you! And yes it’s been around since the 1940s but huge advances in research and application the last few years (it’s gotten cheaper with ground seeding being done remotely). https://t.co/il86WrfYdG

— Ginger Zee (@Ginger_Zee) April 18, 2023

This didn't just start a few years ago, and just to cause rainfall. They've been spraying the skies for many other (nefarious) reasons, and have been doing it for decades.

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Idiot.

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Idiot.

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Wow, what a compelling argument....Ad hominem name-calling, like a third grader insulting someone on the playground in a fight.

This is the "go to" tactic of the Left and others when they cannot win an argument on the facts/evidence and using reason and logic.

All the facts and evidence are on my side. Governments are now admitting that they are spraying the skies with toxic chemicals, to do everything from cause rainfall to "dim the sun" in order to fight mythical "global warming".

I'm not making an argument, just stating a fact.

It's scary to me that you and I travel the same roads, maybe even attend the same events. Makes me look at everyone else a little differently.

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I'm not making an argument, just stating a fact.

It's scary to me that you and I travel the same roads, maybe even attend the same events. Makes me look at everyone else a little differently.

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Yeah...I bet you live in a state of fear and are scared and quite terrified of a lot of things.

No. The real facts are that governments are now admitting that they are spraying the skies with compounds designed to cause precipitation, and to "dim the sunlight" (for the "climate change" fraud) by reflecting sunlight back away from the earth. Look at the links I've provided...it's commie Lamestream Establishment legacy media admitting these facts.

This is the reality of the world we live in. But you apparently are choosing to deny reality and deny the facts. I assume you do that so that your view of "reality" can continue to conform to your pre-existing belief system.

In other words, the true reality of the world we live in is too scary or uncomfortable for you to accept...because it shatters the comfortable false "reality" that you think you live in. I think this is the main reason why most people will not accept the harsh reality of the world that we live in (ie, dismissed as "conspiracy theory")-- ie, of totally corrupt and evil elites controlling our governments, corporations, and other spheres of power in our society....and perpetrating all sorts of frauds, hoaxes, scams, enslaving and exploiting the masses, etc.

Newsflash...all through history we see that corrupt and wicked elites have taken control of governments and other spheres of power in society. And enslaved tens/hundreds of millions of people, and mass murdered hundreds of millions of people, etc. In just the last 100 years, look at the Soviet Union, the communist takeover of China, Cuba, North Korea, etc.

But this can't happen today, in modern times?? It can't happen in the country that you live in?? Only over the last few decades have they been able to brainwash people into thinking that it is a "CRAAAAZY conspiracy theory" to believe that elites could be corrupt or wicked, and have malevolent intent for the masses.

Facts? Wow. Okay, let's go. What the heck, I mean it's Friday.

First off: Nobody is "now admitting" anything. Cloud seeding is real and involves dispersing particles like silver iodide into clouds to encourage rainfall. It's been around since the 1940s, used mostly in attempts to hydrate drought-prone areas. It's not new, it's not secret, and frankly, it's not very successful or practical (but that's another discussion).

Yes, weaponization has been attempted - most notably during the Vietnam War, when the U.S. used cloud seeding to extend monsoon season over the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The results were so murky it eventually led to the 1978 UN ban on weather warfare. Even then, nobody proved it worked.

So yeah sure, it's absolutely real science, but with tight limits, not some magic weather joystick or chemtrail death ray.

There is zero point zero credible evidence (and none has been produced in this thread) that cloud seeding is part of a mass poisoning plot, population control scheme, or global climate manipulation op. The white streaks in the sky that all my friends and neighbors here in Carteret County believe are chemtrails are just condensation from jet engines at high altitudes. Every serious scientific agency on Earth agrees on this without exceptions.

The rest of the thread including COVID vax heart conspiracies, fake climate change, government bug diets, etc etc are just a Frankenstein of online paranoia, outrage bait, and fear-mongering. It's pushed by people who either profit from clicks, destabilize democracy, erode trust in elections or all of the above.

Here's a question: Has anyone vetted these two posters to confirm they're even U.S. citizens? Do we care? Whether they're (A) paranoid Manalishi clones, (B) content hustlers monetizing drivel, or (C) foreign assets on payroll, the effect is the same: confusion, division, and chaos.

I suppose I should just do what everyone else clearly and wisely is doing in this forum: ignore them. But these days, this kind of crap really pisses me off. I've watched too many friends and family - people who used to be sharp, critical thinkers - slide into a place where they genuinely don't know what's real anymore. It's discouraging at best, terrifying at worst. So yeah, I'm fighting the good fight the only way I can. Have a great weekend.

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There is zero point zero credible evidence (and none has been produced in this thread) that cloud seeding is part of a mass poisoning plot, population control scheme, or global climate manipulation op. The white streaks in the sky that all my friends and neighbors here in Carteret County believe are chemtrails are just condensation from jet engines at high altitudes. Every serious scientific agency on Earth agrees on this without exceptions.

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But for years, the conspiracy deniers claimed that everything in the sky being sprayed was "only contrails from condensation" and that NOTHING was being sprayed in the way of chemicals - to alter the weather or for any other purpose.

The major point here is that the so-called "craaaaazy conspiracy theorists" have been right all along. There has been, in fact, a government program to spray the skies with these various chemicals. The so-called "conspiracy theorists" were NOT "dreaming up theories out of thin air". No, the "rumors" and other evidence that they cited for all the previous years/decades was correct. They have been vindicated.

You're attempting to claim "vindication" by moving the goalposts. The original conspiracy theory wasn't "the government has done cloud seeding." That's old news and has been publicly documented for decades. Nobody serious has ever denied that limited weather modification exists. What was actually mocked, and rightly so, were and are the wild claims that commercial jets are secretly dumping chemicals to control minds, poison populations, or manipulate the climate on a global scale under a massive cover-up.

You're conflating a narrow, known scientific technique (cloud seeding) with the absurd fantasy that white lines in the sky are part of a secret spraying operation. That's like claiming vindication for Bigfoot believers because we discovered a new species of monkey.

So no, conspiracy theorists weren't "right all along" and you have offered zero proof of that. They were catastrophically wrong about the scale, secrecy, intent, and science. Spraying silver iodide into a storm cloud with state permission and public records is not the same as planes spewing mind-control chemicals in secret while the entire global scientific community looks the other way. Nice try, though.

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Here's a question: Has anyone vetted these two posters to confirm they're even U.S. citizens? Do we care? Whether they're (A) paranoid Manalishi clones, (B) content hustlers monetizing drivel, or (C) foreign assets on payroll, the effect is the same: confusion, division, and chaos.

I suppose I should just do what everyone else clearly and wisely is doing in this forum: ignore them. But these days, this kind of crap really pisses me off. I've watched too many friends and family - people who used to be sharp, critical thinkers - slide into a place where they genuinely don't know what's real anymore. It's discouraging at best, terrifying at worst. So yeah, I'm fighting the good fight the only way I can. Have a great weekend.

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Oh, so now I'm not even a U.S. citizen and I'm "a foreign asset on a payroll"?? Lmfaoooo.

And you are very "pissed off" and "terrified". I can see that. The desperation in your post to smear me is extreme.

I'm a real person, just like your many friends and family who apparently share many of my views. We are real people, and we do not believe what we do because we are "trying to sow confusion, division, and chaos". It's quite the opposite. We speak about these things because we are trying to share the truth with others, and make them aware of important information that has a huge impact on their lives. It is the corrupt and malevolent "Establishment" that is sowing confusion, lies, and chaos...and much worse than that.

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You're attempting to claim "vindication" by moving the goalposts. The original conspiracy theory wasn't "the government has done cloud seeding." That's old news and has been publicly documented for decades. Nobody serious has ever denied that limited weather modification exists. What was actually mocked, and rightly so, were and are the wild claims that commercial jets are secretly dumping chemicals to control minds, poison populations, or manipulate the climate on a global scale under a massive cover-up.

You're conflating a narrow, known scientific technique (cloud seeding) with the absurd fantasy that white lines in the sky are part of a secret spraying operation. That's like claiming vindication for Bigfoot believers because we discovered a new species of monkey.

So no, conspiracy theorists weren't "right all along" and you have offered zero proof of that. They were catastrophically wrong about the scale, secrecy, intent, and science. Spraying silver iodide into a storm cloud with state permission and public records is not the same as planes spewing mind-control chemicals in secret while the entire global scientific community looks the other way. Nice try, though.

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You are shooting down strawman arguments that I (personally) have not made in this thread. This was done by hokiewolf earlier in the thread. You guys are really good at shooting down strawmans and smearing people like me with name-calling, but not so good at addressing the issues substantively with logic and reason or providing any evidence. In general, this is the Establishment's tactic against so-called "conspiracy theorists" on virtually every issue. The communist Establishment media has smeared and lied about what "conspiracy theorists" are saying and actually believe and propagandized the masses to view them as "uber craaaazy nutjobs", based on a lot of strawmans and misrepresentations about what we actually believe.

And you are not talking about the evidence I already provided above in the thread about the government's secret "chemical/biological warfare testing" in the past where they sprayed the skies with chemicals and biological agents, and the fact that they are now announcing that they will be spraying various toxic chemicals to "fight" the mythical "global warming". I cited Establishment Lamestream faux "news" articles to support this.

So it's not "all cloud seeding" as you seem to be making it out to be. It's been exposed and now being announced that they have been (and will be) spraying the skies with various toxic chemicals for other purposes beyond just cloud seeding.

OK fine. What is your primary contention and what is your "proof" for that? We'll go from there.