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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Even still, talk of eliminating science and history from elementary school is scary.

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No. What's truly scary is drag queen story time for children, teaching them that there are "70 genders", teaching them that they might actually need to switch their gender, teaching them that the Sodomite lifestyle is "acceptable", teaching them that it would have been "acceptable" for their mother to have murdered them in the womb, and to teach them that God "doesn't exist" and it is "scientific" to believe a preposterous lie about the universe and all life coming into existence by "random chance after a big explosion".

I think what he's really talking about is taking the FAKE "science" and "history" out of the schools.

Teach real science and history. Not the lies that the Marxist Left teaches as "science" and "history", in order to push their sick Satanic agenda.

Of course he really believes those things. And if we had real polling, it would be clear to see that most people in NC agree with him.

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Real science and history like flat-earth and fake moon landings?

You think most people in NC agree with Robinson about what?

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I think most people in NC agree with Robinson that WRAL is crap news, and that they've painted a bullseye on Robinson for quite a few months now. I'd even go so far as to label the WRAL staff as blatant racists. Just for fun, of course.

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I'm not here to extoll the virtues of WRAL but Robinson's not a victim.

A lot of the stuff he says is objectively inflammatory and he's been clear that's his intent. He wants these issues to be front and center as he begins making his push for governor; he wants his name in the news; and he stirs the pot by spouting off fire and brimstone rhetoric to achieve those goals. That's not on the media.

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Chem, is it possible that Robinson is just passionate! With passion, I'm sure any of us would want certain issue, we hold special, to be front and center…

BTW, think about how the media, especially the local media, has gone woke. They create a heightened basis, in which needs to be tapped down. So, what you might consider "fire and brimstone rhetoric", is viewed by others, including me, this so-called rhetoric is a simple leveling of the playing field.

Perhaps you disagree with me; however, this liberal rhetoric needs to be beaten back A LOT!! It's out of control and some may feel threatened by a Robinson type, when others are happy to see someone fighting!

In summary, you gave your opinion on Robinson as you have no idea what's in his heart, do you?

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Cary I think Robinson is passionate.

And, he's explicitly said that his fiery rhetoric is intentional. He wants to put these issues front and center. He wants to sell his book. And most of all, he wants to make these issues central to his upcoming gubernatorial run.

He's willfully thumbing his nose at the media and lib-tards hoping that he gets exactly the reaction he's gotten. He wants everyone to know (or to think) that he's principled and won't back down from a fight with the media or the woke left (which is an obvious parallel to, and likely inspired by, Trump's stance with the media and his political adversaries).

He's throwing chum in the water. No one should be surprised when the sharks eat the chum.

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Civ, with all due respect, you response was gobblie goo…

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Typical response from him...

As CIV's home burns down CIV, frantically searches to find something to distract himself with. Corporate mockingbird media couldn't do a better job.

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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Even still, talk of eliminating science and history from elementary school is scary.

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No. What's truly scary is drag queen story time for children, teaching them that there are "70 genders", teaching them that they might actually need to switch their gender, teaching them that the Sodomite lifestyle is "acceptable", teaching them that it would have been "acceptable" for their mother to have murdered them in the womb, and to teach them that God "doesn't exist" and it is "scientific" to believe a preposterous lie about the universe and all life coming into existence by "random chance after a big explosion".

I think what he's really talking about is taking the FAKE "science" and "history" out of the schools.

Teach real science and history. Not the lies that the Marxist Left teaches as "science" and "history", in order to push their sick Satanic agenda.

Of course he really believes those things. And if we had real polling, it would be clear to see that most people in NC agree with him.

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Real science and history like flat-earth and fake moon landings?

You think most people in NC agree with Robinson about what?

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I think most people in NC agree with Robinson that WRAL is crap news, and that they've painted a bullseye on Robinson for quite a few months now. I'd even go so far as to label the WRAL staff as blatant racists. Just for fun, of course.

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I'm not here to extoll the virtues of WRAL but Robinson's not a victim.

A lot of the stuff he says is objectively inflammatory and he's been clear that's his intent. He wants these issues to be front and center as he begins making his push for governor; he wants his name in the news; and he stirs the pot by spouting off fire and brimstone rhetoric to achieve those goals. That's not on the media.

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Chem, is it possible that Robinson is just passionate! With passion, I'm sure any of us would want certain issue, we hold special, to be front and center…

BTW, think about how the media, especially the local media, has gone woke. They create a heightened basis, in which needs to be tapped down. So, what you might consider "fire and brimstone rhetoric", is viewed by others, including me, this so-called rhetoric is a simple leveling of the playing field.

Perhaps you disagree with me; however, this liberal rhetoric needs to be beaten back A LOT!! It's out of control and some may feel threatened by a Robinson type, when others are happy to see someone fighting!

In summary, you gave your opinion on Robinson as you have no idea what's in his heart, do you?

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Cary I think Robinson is passionate.

And, he's explicitly said that his fiery rhetoric is intentional. He wants to put these issues front and center. He wants to sell his book. And most of all, he wants to make these issues central to his upcoming gubernatorial run.

He's willfully thumbing his nose at the media and lib-tards hoping that he gets exactly the reaction he's gotten. He wants everyone to know (or to think) that he's principled and won't back down from a fight with the media or the woke left (which is an obvious parallel to, and likely inspired by, Trump's stance with the media and his political adversaries).

He's throwing chum in the water. No one should be surprised when the sharks eat the chum.

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Civ, with all due respect, you response was gobblie goo…

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Hahaha.

All I'm saying is there's no reason to think that we have an inaccurate picture of who Mark Robinson is or what he believes.

He's telling us who he is. He's very open about what he thinks. We should believe him.

The question is, is the fire-and-brimstone approach that focuses on family values electorally viable in NC in 2024?

We're likely entering a recession and still have leftover economic pain from COVID but to-date he's focused much more on LGBTQ/Abortion/Second amendment culture war topics. Business development/market approach and educational opportunity are going to much more tangibly impact the lives of North Carolinians over the next few years than culture war lightning rods.

Unlike Biden, there's not broad disapproval of Roy Cooper that Pubs can seize upon to sway dissatisfied moderates. Is Robinson's focus so far the groundwork of a winning strategy?

WRAL is that reason.

Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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Even still, talk of eliminating science and history from elementary school is scary.

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No. What's truly scary is drag queen story time for children, teaching them that there are "70 genders", teaching them that they might actually need to switch their gender, teaching them that the Sodomite lifestyle is "acceptable", teaching them that it would have been "acceptable" for their mother to have murdered them in the womb, and to teach them that God "doesn't exist" and it is "scientific" to believe a preposterous lie about the universe and all life coming into existence by "random chance after a big explosion".

I think what he's really talking about is taking the FAKE "science" and "history" out of the schools.

Teach real science and history. Not the lies that the Marxist Left teaches as "science" and "history", in order to push their sick Satanic agenda.

Of course he really believes those things. And if we had real polling, it would be clear to see that most people in NC agree with him.

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Real science and history like flat-earth and fake moon landings?

You think most people in NC agree with Robinson about what?

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I think most people in NC agree with Robinson that WRAL is crap news, and that they've painted a bullseye on Robinson for quite a few months now. I'd even go so far as to label the WRAL staff as blatant racists. Just for fun, of course.

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I'm not here to extoll the virtues of WRAL but Robinson's not a victim.

A lot of the stuff he says is objectively inflammatory and he's been clear that's his intent. He wants these issues to be front and center as he begins making his push for governor; he wants his name in the news; and he stirs the pot by spouting off fire and brimstone rhetoric to achieve those goals. That's not on the media.

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Chem, is it possible that Robinson is just passionate! With passion, I'm sure any of us would want certain issue, we hold special, to be front and center…

BTW, think about how the media, especially the local media, has gone woke. They create a heightened basis, in which needs to be tapped down. So, what you might consider "fire and brimstone rhetoric", is viewed by others, including me, this so-called rhetoric is a simple leveling of the playing field.

Perhaps you disagree with me; however, this liberal rhetoric needs to be beaten back A LOT!! It's out of control and some may feel threatened by a Robinson type, when others are happy to see someone fighting!

In summary, you gave your opinion on Robinson as you have no idea what's in his heart, do you?

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Cary I think Robinson is passionate.

And, he's explicitly said that his fiery rhetoric is intentional. He wants to put these issues front and center. He wants to sell his book. And most of all, he wants to make these issues central to his upcoming gubernatorial run.

He's willfully thumbing his nose at the media and lib-tards hoping that he gets exactly the reaction he's gotten. He wants everyone to know (or to think) that he's principled and won't back down from a fight with the media or the woke left (which is an obvious parallel to, and likely inspired by, Trump's stance with the media and his political adversaries).

He's throwing chum in the water. No one should be surprised when the sharks eat the chum.

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Civ, with all due respect, you response was gobblie goo…

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Hahaha.

All I'm saying is there's no reason to think that we have an inaccurate picture of who Mark Robinson is or what he believes.

He's telling us who he is. He's very open about what he thinks. We should believe him.

The question is, is the fire-and-brimstone approach that focuses on family values electorally viable in NC in 2024?

We're likely entering a recession and still have leftover economic pain from COVID but to-date he's focused much more on LGBTQ/Abortion/Second amendment culture war topics. Business development/market approach and educational opportunity are going to much more tangibly impact the lives of North Carolinians over the next few years than culture war lightning rods.

Unlike Biden, there's not broad disapproval of Roy Cooper that Pubs can seize upon to sway dissatisfied moderates. Is Robinson's focus so far the groundwork of a winning strategy?

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Whatever he runs for, I will probably vote for him. I want someone who will, not just, Hold The Line; rather, they will push the line back. If he can get that done, I'm voting for him.

That line includes cultural and economical...

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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Even still, talk of eliminating science and history from elementary school is scary.

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No. What's truly scary is drag queen story time for children, teaching them that there are "70 genders", teaching them that they might actually need to switch their gender, teaching them that the Sodomite lifestyle is "acceptable", teaching them that it would have been "acceptable" for their mother to have murdered them in the womb, and to teach them that God "doesn't exist" and it is "scientific" to believe a preposterous lie about the universe and all life coming into existence by "random chance after a big explosion".

I think what he's really talking about is taking the FAKE "science" and "history" out of the schools.

Teach real science and history. Not the lies that the Marxist Left teaches as "science" and "history", in order to push their sick Satanic agenda.

Of course he really believes those things. And if we had real polling, it would be clear to see that most people in NC agree with him.

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Real science and history like flat-earth and fake moon landings?

You think most people in NC agree with Robinson about what?

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I think most people in NC agree with Robinson that WRAL is crap news, and that they've painted a bullseye on Robinson for quite a few months now. I'd even go so far as to label the WRAL staff as blatant racists. Just for fun, of course.

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I'm not here to extoll the virtues of WRAL but Robinson's not a victim.

A lot of the stuff he says is objectively inflammatory and he's been clear that's his intent. He wants these issues to be front and center as he begins making his push for governor; he wants his name in the news; and he stirs the pot by spouting off fire and brimstone rhetoric to achieve those goals. That's not on the media.

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Chem, is it possible that Robinson is just passionate! With passion, I'm sure any of us would want certain issue, we hold special, to be front and center…

BTW, think about how the media, especially the local media, has gone woke. They create a heightened basis, in which needs to be tapped down. So, what you might consider "fire and brimstone rhetoric", is viewed by others, including me, this so-called rhetoric is a simple leveling of the playing field.

Perhaps you disagree with me; however, this liberal rhetoric needs to be beaten back A LOT!! It's out of control and some may feel threatened by a Robinson type, when others are happy to see someone fighting!

In summary, you gave your opinion on Robinson as you have no idea what's in his heart, do you?

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Cary I think Robinson is passionate.

And, he's explicitly said that his fiery rhetoric is intentional. He wants to put these issues front and center. He wants to sell his book. And most of all, he wants to make these issues central to his upcoming gubernatorial run.

He's willfully thumbing his nose at the media and lib-tards hoping that he gets exactly the reaction he's gotten. He wants everyone to know (or to think) that he's principled and won't back down from a fight with the media or the woke left (which is an obvious parallel to, and likely inspired by, Trump's stance with the media and his political adversaries).

He's throwing chum in the water. No one should be surprised when the sharks eat the chum.

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Civ, with all due respect, you response was gobblie goo…

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Hahaha.

All I'm saying is there's no reason to think that we have an inaccurate picture of who Mark Robinson is or what he believes.

He's telling us who he is. He's very open about what he thinks. We should believe him.

The question is, is the fire-and-brimstone approach that focuses on family values electorally viable in NC in 2024?

We're likely entering a recession and still have leftover economic pain from COVID but to-date he's focused much more on LGBTQ/Abortion/Second amendment culture war topics. Business development/market approach and educational opportunity are going to much more tangibly impact the lives of North Carolinians over the next few years than culture war lightning rods.

Unlike Biden, there's not broad disapproval of Roy Cooper that Pubs can seize upon to sway dissatisfied moderates. Is Robinson's focus so far the groundwork of a winning strategy?

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Whatever he runs for, I will probably vote for him. I want someone who will, not just, Hold The Line; rather, they will push the line back. If he can get that done, I'm voting for him.

That line includes cultural and economical...

So you would vote for a person who wants to take science out of schools? Not teach history?

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I was walking my dog Hank thru the woods yesterday, and a few leaves were turning colors already. The reason why is standard science that even elementary kids can learn from -- it helps them appreciate their surroundings (granted, I'm the kind of nerd who stops and reads plaques in parks that explain what I'm looking at or how it works).

One of my favorite courses I ever took, silly as it sounds, was 4th grade NC History.

Now, I know some teachers can foul things up. And I'm all for focusing on reading and writing. And controlling the BoE.
But suggesting taking science and math out of elementary schools is probably going to be a non-starter for winning an election.

Same with proposal to make abortion illegal. Not sure anyone who runs on that topic in NC in 2020s is going to win (unless its just a huge tidal wave against the Dem governor because of bad economy, etc).

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I was walking my dog Hank thru the woods yesterday, and a few leaves were turning colors already. The reason why is standard science that even elementary kids can learn from -- it helps them appreciate their surroundings (granted, I'm the kind of nerd who stops and reads plaques in parks that explain what I'm looking at or how it works).

One of my favorite courses I ever took, silly as it sounds, was 4th grade NC History.

Now, I know some teachers can foul things up. And I'm all for focusing on reading and writing. And controlling the BoE.
But suggesting taking science and math out of elementary schools is probably going to be a non-starter for winning an election.

Same with proposal to make abortion illegal. Not sure anyone who runs on that topic in NC in 2020s is going to win (unless its just a huge tidal wave against the Dem governor because of bad economy, etc).

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Robinson said he'd work to keep history, science and a number of other subjects out of first through fifth grade curricula and instead prioritize reading, writing and math.

"In those grades, we don't need to be teaching social studies," he writes. "We don't need to be teaching science. We surely don't need to be talking about equity and social justice."

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See quote from the WRAL piece for a clarification.

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I was walking my dog Hank thru the woods yesterday, and a few leaves were turning colors already. The reason why is standard science that even elementary kids can learn from -- it helps them appreciate their surroundings (granted, I'm the kind of nerd who stops and reads plaques in parks that explain what I'm looking at or how it works).

One of my favorite courses I ever took, silly as it sounds, was 4th grade NC History.

Now, I know some teachers can foul things up. And I'm all for focusing on reading and writing. And controlling the BoE.
But suggesting taking science and math out of elementary schools is probably going to be a non-starter for winning an election.

Same with proposal to make abortion illegal. Not sure anyone who runs on that topic in NC in 2020s is going to win (unless its just a huge tidal wave against the Dem governor because of bad economy, etc).

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Robinson said he'd work to keep history, science and a number of other subjects out of first through fifth grade curricula and instead prioritize reading, writing and math.

"In those grades, we don't need to be teaching social studies," he writes. "We don't need to be teaching science. We surely don't need to be talking about equity and social justice."

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See quote from the WRAL piece for a clarification.

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sorry, i meant science and history but i typed math by mistake. I agree with his emphasis on read/write/math....but to me, those other things are important too -- and are not that difficult to teach if done correctly.

ETA: And if the goal is to get elected, saying those types of things will not help. Focus on BofE, focus on making sure teachers are staying on task, ok. But kinda like WRAL almost mocked him here, that will happen across all platforms with this lead in

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Packchem91 said:

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I was walking my dog Hank thru the woods yesterday, and a few leaves were turning colors already. The reason why is standard science that even elementary kids can learn from -- it helps them appreciate their surroundings (granted, I'm the kind of nerd who stops and reads plaques in parks that explain what I'm looking at or how it works).

One of my favorite courses I ever took, silly as it sounds, was 4th grade NC History.

Now, I know some teachers can foul things up. And I'm all for focusing on reading and writing. And controlling the BoE.
But suggesting taking science and math out of elementary schools is probably going to be a non-starter for winning an election.

Same with proposal to make abortion illegal. Not sure anyone who runs on that topic in NC in 2020s is going to win (unless its just a huge tidal wave against the Dem governor because of bad economy, etc).

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Robinson said he'd work to keep history, science and a number of other subjects out of first through fifth grade curricula and instead prioritize reading, writing and math.

"In those grades, we don't need to be teaching social studies," he writes. "We don't need to be teaching science. We surely don't need to be talking about equity and social justice."

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See quote from the WRAL piece for a clarification.

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sorry, i meant science and history but i typed math by mistake. I agree with his emphasis on read/write/math....but to me, those other things are important too -- and are not that difficult to teach if done correctly.

ETA: And if the goal is to get elected, saying those types of things will not help. Focus on BofE, focus on making sure teachers are staying on task, ok. But kinda like WRAL almost mocked him here, that will happen across all platforms with this lead in

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I suspect he could say the most vanilla Republican things you could imagine and he would likely get unkind treatment from progressive media outlets. It is unfortunately where our culture is these days. Biased and oftentimes dishonest treatment of conservatives is just what they do now. Trump was the tipping point on journalistic integrity. They hated the man with so much passion, they left neutrality far behind. Now the biased mission is ingrained and progressivism is the only legitimate perspective allowed.

I haven't followed NC politics in years. I do appreciate Civ bringing my attention to this guy. It will be interesting to see how he does when he throws his hat in the ring. Once he is done with hyperbole, where does he really sit with most issues. Let's watch and see.

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Packchem91 said:

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I was walking my dog Hank thru the woods yesterday, and a few leaves were turning colors already. The reason why is standard science that even elementary kids can learn from -- it helps them appreciate their surroundings (granted, I'm the kind of nerd who stops and reads plaques in parks that explain what I'm looking at or how it works).

One of my favorite courses I ever took, silly as it sounds, was 4th grade NC History.

Now, I know some teachers can foul things up. And I'm all for focusing on reading and writing. And controlling the BoE.
But suggesting taking science and math out of elementary schools is probably going to be a non-starter for winning an election.

Same with proposal to make abortion illegal. Not sure anyone who runs on that topic in NC in 2020s is going to win (unless its just a huge tidal wave against the Dem governor because of bad economy, etc).

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Robinson said he'd work to keep history, science and a number of other subjects out of first through fifth grade curricula and instead prioritize reading, writing and math.

"In those grades, we don't need to be teaching social studies," he writes. "We don't need to be teaching science. We surely don't need to be talking about equity and social justice."

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See quote from the WRAL piece for a clarification.

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sorry, i meant science and history but i typed math by mistake. I agree with his emphasis on read/write/math....but to me, those other things are important too -- and are not that difficult to teach if done correctly.

ETA: And if the goal is to get elected, saying those types of things will not help. Focus on BofE, focus on making sure teachers are staying on task, ok. But kinda like WRAL almost mocked him here, that will happen across all platforms with this lead in

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I suspect he could say the most vanilla Republican things you could imagine and he would likely get unkind treatment from progressive media outlets. It is unfortunately where our culture is these days. Biased and oftentimes dishonest treatment of conservatives is just what they do now. Trump was the tipping point on journalistic integrity. They hated the man with so much passion, they left neutrality far behind. Now the biased mission is ingrained and progressivism is the only legitimate perspective allowed.

I haven't followed NC politics in years. I do appreciate Civ bringing my attention to this guy. It will be interesting to see how he does when he throws his hat in the ring. Once he is done with hyperbole, where does he really sit with most issues. Let's watch and see.

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Agree on your media concern

And yes, this memoir he wrote is likely a bit of a trial ballot where he gathers feedback and applies it to his actual campaign

https://www.wral.com/story/stick-it-to-the-man-will-nc-mark-robinson-s-rhetoric-boost-or-doom-his-campaign/20824579/

I'm curious to know the answer to this question also.

Like most candidates these days, his ability to win hinges on his appeal to moderates and independents.

Given his LGBTQ and abortion stances, can he swing enough his way to win the election?

I like Folwell early on over Robinson. He's done an excellent job as Treasurer

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I like Folwell early on over Robinson. He's done an excellent job as Treasurer

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I'm not fully in on either just yet, but if I had to choose right now I'm probably leaning Robinson...

So can we all agree that drag shows shouldn't be in schools?

Can we start small and agree on that at least?

I think science and history and how it was taught when most of us were in school would be perfectly fine to Robinson but he's seeing, as are most, that teachers have decided to stray from what's been widely accepted as OK for decades to do their own thing which is the problem.

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So can we all agree that drag shows shouldn't be in schools?

Can we start small and agree on that at least?

I think science and history and how it was taught when most of us were in school would be perfectly fine to Robinson but he's seeing, as are most, that teachers have decided to stray from what's been widely accepted as OK for decades to do their own thing which is the problem.

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Sure, if we can also agree that drag shows being in schools or teachers going rogue and teaching crazy mess are such aberrant edge cases that they're hardly worth talking about much less basing gubernatorial or presidential campaigns on.

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So can we all agree that drag shows shouldn't be in schools?

Can we start small and agree on that at least?

I think science and history and how it was taught when most of us were in school would be perfectly fine to Robinson but he's seeing, as are most, that teachers have decided to stray from what's been widely accepted as OK for decades to do their own thing which is the problem.

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Sure, if we can also agree that drag shows being in schools or teachers going rogue and teaching crazy mess are such aberrant edge cases that they're hardly worth talking about much less basing gubernatorial or presidential campaigns on.

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Curious, why would you put stipulations on drag queens being in schools?

Get on TikTok and you can watch MANY videos of teachers being sub-human and teaching their FEELINGS instead of curriculum.

Also, Robinson just announced on his Twitter that he's running for Governor.

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So can we all agree that drag shows shouldn't be in schools?

Can we start small and agree on that at least?

I think science and history and how it was taught when most of us were in school would be perfectly fine to Robinson but he's seeing, as are most, that teachers have decided to stray from what's been widely accepted as OK for decades to do their own thing which is the problem.

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Sure, if we can also agree that drag shows being in schools or teachers going rogue and teaching crazy mess are such aberrant edge cases that they're hardly worth talking about much less basing gubernatorial or presidential campaigns on.

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Curious, why would you put stipulations on drag queens being in schools?

Get on TikTok and you can watch MANY videos of teachers being sub-human and teaching their FEELINGS instead of curriculum.

Also, Robinson just announced on his Twitter that he's running for Governor.

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The problem with your argument started with "Get on TikTok". TikTok or Twitter or any social media does not represent 100% of what happens in America.

"Believe the PSY-ence"

- theory of evolution nonsense
- preposterous Big Bang theory
- there are 70 genders
- unborn children are "not human beings"
- men can become women
- men can get pregnant

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wolf howl said:

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wolf howl said:

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So can we all agree that drag shows shouldn't be in schools?

Can we start small and agree on that at least?

I think science and history and how it was taught when most of us were in school would be perfectly fine to Robinson but he's seeing, as are most, that teachers have decided to stray from what's been widely accepted as OK for decades to do their own thing which is the problem.

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Sure, if we can also agree that drag shows being in schools or teachers going rogue and teaching crazy mess are such aberrant edge cases that they're hardly worth talking about much less basing gubernatorial or presidential campaigns on.

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Curious, why would you put stipulations on drag queens being in schools?

Get on TikTok and you can watch MANY videos of teachers being sub-human and teaching their FEELINGS instead of curriculum.

Also, Robinson just announced on his Twitter that he's running for Governor.

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The problem with your argument started with "Get on TikTok". TikTok or Twitter or any social media does not represent 100% of what happens in America.

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Why would you not believe it from a teacher who's literally sitting in their classroom telling you exactly what they're doing? Because it didn't come from Dan Rather? Legacy media is dead in this country. It's propaganda at this point and absolutely nothing more, I'll take the person's word for it who's telling me exactly what they are doing to my face over "journalists" but you do you.

And I've never said "100%" of anything. Of course I know there are great teachers who come in, do their job and don't try to harm kids. I also know there are scumbags masquerading as teachers who absolutely come to work to spread garbage and not teach anything other than their personal beliefs.

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wolf howl said:

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So can we all agree that drag shows shouldn't be in schools?

Can we start small and agree on that at least?

I think science and history and how it was taught when most of us were in school would be perfectly fine to Robinson but he's seeing, as are most, that teachers have decided to stray from what's been widely accepted as OK for decades to do their own thing which is the problem.

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Sure, if we can also agree that drag shows being in schools or teachers going rogue and teaching crazy mess are such aberrant edge cases that they're hardly worth talking about much less basing gubernatorial or presidential campaigns on.

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Civ, I hope you are woefully underinformed on what is being presented in federally funded education these days. I have linked countless articles from the folks at National Review who have done an admirable job of trying to educate the masses on what is happening in our country. If you are still advocating for the Progressive team, you may not be aware of all the non-scientific nonsense being pushed in schools around the country. It is truly shameful where the Democratic Party has gone these days. Folks have to set aside the D vs R dynamic and ask themselves what they are really willing to support.

Every single person who deems themselves to have a single shred of decency should hear this brief speech. Hear the words outside of the realm of the bull**** R vrs D sham.

This is from Tucker's speech over the weekend. Fox News 'says' Tucker cannot be heard any longer.

Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda

— TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023

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So can we all agree that drag shows shouldn't be in schools?

Can we start small and agree on that at least?

I think science and history and how it was taught when most of us were in school would be perfectly fine to Robinson but he's seeing, as are most, that teachers have decided to stray from what's been widely accepted as OK for decades to do their own thing which is the problem.

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Sure, if we can also agree that drag shows being in schools or teachers going rogue and teaching crazy mess are such aberrant edge cases that they're hardly worth talking about much less basing gubernatorial or presidential campaigns on.

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Civ, I hope you are woefully underinformed on what is being presented in federally funded education these days. I have linked countless articles from the folks at National Review who have done an admirable job of trying to educate the masses on what is happening in our country. If you are still advocating for the Progressive team, you may not be aware of all the non-scientific nonsense being pushed in schools around the country. It is truly shameful where the Democratic Party has gone these days. Folks have to set aside the D vs R dynamic and ask themselves what they are really willing to support.

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I'm not advocating for anything XL, except to not extrapolate from a tiny fraction of teacher or classroom behavior and act like it's what's going on in most classrooms or even many classrooms.

There are literally over 1 million public school classrooms in the US.

How many of those have had drag shows?

FWIW my wife is a public school educator and I'm a pretty staunch believer in the virtues of public education. Looking at her and her 35 colleagues at her school, they are in there grinding and being underpaid and underappreciated and undersupported by parents and in some cases their admins but keep getting after it because education and helping kids was their calling. THAT is the experience in a high percentage of classrooms in America, not drag shows and CRT.

There's no reason to denigrate the job that tens of thousands of teachers do because some tiny fraction have a social or political agenda that bleeds over significantly into the classroom.

Civ, it's great that your spouse is a devoted teacher and proud of her profession. We thank the countless teachers who do follow their calling and do their best to help kids grow and learn.

Unfortunately, that ideal is no longer the norm in many parts of this country. As the articles I have linked here in the past show, the more Progressive a state's politics, the more likely they have left behind that pure model you perceive exists. In some cases, teachers and administrators are lying to parents on a weekly basis. Perhaps you are unaware that Virginia elected a governor largely as a response to the message from his opponent supporting many of the activities you suggest don't exist. In fact, the former Virginia governor claimed parents have no rights over how or what their children are taught.

The effort to protect children has been under attack and it is indeed getting worse. Extremists apparently have no limits on what they are willing to push in school settings. This stuff isn't stealthy anymore. It's not like a shooter gaining access to a school and quickly destroying lives in a very visible manner, but it is a growing threat to many children in America.

There are websites that post the stories from parents who want to protect their children. There are conservative sites like National Review that comment on the trends on a weekly basis. I don't expect you will learn much about these issues if you are only exposed to Progressive news media. Perhaps you will hear that Conservatives are on a witch hunt or something outlandish designed to marginalize any concerns about public education. The truth is probably somewhere between what you project and what I fear but we most definitely won't effectively protect children unless we pay attention to the ongoing struggle.

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Civ, it's great that your spouse is a devoted teacher and proud of her profession. We thank the countless teachers who do follow their calling and do their best to help kids grow and learn.

Unfortunately, that ideal is no longer the norm in many parts of this country. As the articles I have linked here in the past show, the more Progressive a state's politics, the more likely they have left behind that pure model you perceive exists. In some cases, teachers and administrators are lying to parents on a weekly basis. Perhaps you are unaware that Virginia elected a governor largely as a response to the message from his opponent supporting many of the activities you suggest don't exist. In fact, the former Virginia governor claimed parents have no rights over how or what their children are taught.

The effort to protect children has been under attack and it is indeed getting worse. Extremists apparently have no limits on what they are willing to push in school settings. This stuff isn't stealthy anymore. It's not like a shooter gaining access to a school and quickly destroying lives in a very visible manner, but it is a growing threat to many children in America.

There are websites that post the stories from parents who want to protect their children. There are conservative sites like National Review that comment on the trends on a weekly basis. I don't expect you will learn much about these issues if you are only exposed to Progressive news media. Perhaps you will hear that Conservatives are on a witch hunt or something outlandish designed to marginalize any concerns about public education. The truth is probably somewhere between what you project and what I fear but we most definitely won't effectively protect children unless we pay attention to the ongoing struggle.

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Saying it's "no longer the norm in many parts of the country" sounds ominous but it's essentially impossible to quantify.

Again, there are over 100,000 classrooms in the US.

How many of them are forcing students to watch drag shows? To read sexually explicit material? To get indoctrinated with CRT? Not exposed to it and discussing it as a relevant social issue of our time. Indoctrinated.

Take the drag thing. Do you think that happened in more, or less, than 100 classrooms around the country, out of more than 100,000?

In how many classrooms were age-inappropriate sexually explicit books forced on kids? I mean, where they were literally forced to read the book above parent objections and where they had no choice or their grade would be harmed? 10? 50? 100?

These are the definition of edge cases.

So what is an acceptable number to you Comrade Civ?

10? 20? 30?

Where do you lefties want to draw the line?

You went from telling everyone that accepting the LGBTQ community wouldn't lead to more radical ideologies. And now you are into telling us that men can have babies and women can have testicles.

You and your lefty brigade know no limits to how you want things to run in this country. Once the door is cracked open this is what we get.

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Saying it's "no longer the norm in many parts of the country" sounds ominous but it's essentially impossible to quantify.

These are the definition of edge cases.

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We agree that it's likely impossible to quantify yet you are confident enough to define them as edge cases. That's a curious assertion. Did you read any of the articles from National Review or any conservative site on how schools are handling CRT, transgender ideology indoctrination, "anti-racist" racism, denial of parental notification, encouraging student gender transitions, progressive ideology activism training as core student curriculum, dismissal of teachers for using biology based pronouns, mandated inclusion of boys claiming to be girls in girls restrooms and locker rooms ultimately leading to rapes, inclusion of 1619 Project lies in place of or on equal footing with actual recorded American history, the promotion of socialism and communism over capitalism and the American dream, defining capitalism as racist, etc.?

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So what is an acceptable number to you Comrade Civ?

10? 20? 30?

Where do you lefties want to draw the line?

You went from telling everyone that accepting the LGBTQ community wouldn't lead to more radical ideologies. And now you are into telling us that men can have babies and women can have testicles.

You and your lefty brigade know no limits to how you want things to run in this country. Once the door is cracked open this is what we get.

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Exactly. When is too much? If it happens in one classroom it's too many for me. Why would we EVER say it was ok in any percent of total. Have morals. Stand up for something. If we can't all just say kids are off limits 100% then we have failed on all levels as a society.