Dang. I can't blame you then.

Thank you for your service.

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Yes, but only after consulting with my doctor. I have had issues with allergic reactions in the past with the flu vaccine due to how it is made, and while I understand this one isn't made that way, I still will consult with my physician first. After that, I'm pretty far down the list, so I doubt it is any time soon.

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Mentioned above, but do you have an allergy/intolerance for eggs? I used to get sick for a day or two every year after getting the flu shot. Then, I discovered about two years ago that if I have scrambled eggs in the morning, I usually got a very upset stomach. Talked with my PCP about it, and you can apparently develop an intolerance for certain proteins within eggs. There isnt much I can do about it except avoid eggs (they can still be in things, just for some reason, prepped breakfast style really screws with my stomach). After discovering this, I got a special dose of the flu shot without any egg additives, and the sickness that came with it went away. Just something to consider

Yes. I was born with many severe food allergies, including eggs. I have always known it was the eggs that caused the problem. There is now a flu vaccine that is made without eggs, though I've never taken it.

I did for the first time this year. Doctor did have to special order it as they only keep a few on hand to use as needed, but it was the first time in years I was perfectly fine after having it. I think it would be worth a shot if you end up getting it

Yes, by the time it gets to me any potential issues should be discovered.
My mom and dad are more of a concern for me. I would prefer that they get it quickly assuming the first batch goes well.

I don't take the flu shot because the one time I did, I got the worst case of he flu and I thought I was going to die. I'm reluctant but I think it might become necessary to travel overseas so I will probably take it. So Yes.

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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If poor countries don't get vaccinated too, I assume it will get back to us at some point; probably not as bad. I'd like to go sit at any seat at a bar, I'd like to not worry about Covid-19 at any restaurant! Steve, you don't have to take this vaccine! If you have kids or a wife or nieces and nephews or a living mom or dad, all of them would be better off if you did! If you don't want to do your part, that is up to you! We need 75%, and 85% would be better! I don't think college basketball will ever make the year and the football playoffs might not either. Baseball, nope. The bar and the exercise shop you'd like to attend can probably open earlier if you and your buddies take the vaccine but that is up to you; we can wait another 6-12 months if you want. We can go through another year or 2. Nothing will be on the vaccine that says, " not approved for human consumption", your rights are your rights; the rest of us will have to live with it! If Donald Trump is your scientist, so be it!

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Jesus Christ, Cisco.

One of my buddies sent this to me the other day.
I figured I'd post the picture to try and lighten the mood.

ciscopack said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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If poor countries don't get vaccinated too, I assume it will get back to us at some point; probably not as bad. I'd like to go sit at any seat at a bar, I'd like to not worry about Covid-19 at any restaurant! Steve, you don't have to take this vaccine! If you have kids or a wife or nieces and nephews or a living mom or dad, all of them would be better off if you did! If you don't want to do your part, that is up to you! We need 75%, and 85% would be better! I don't think college basketball will ever make the year and the football playoffs might not either. Baseball, nope. The bar and the exercise shop you'd like to attend can probably open earlier if you and you buddies take the vaccine but that is up to you; we can wait another 6-12 months if you want. We can go through another year or 2. Nothing will be on the vaccine that says, " not approved for human consumption", your rights are your rights; the rest of us will have to live with it! If Donald Trump is your scientist, so be it!

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Steve, don't listen to Cisco's diatribe. Cisco is a sick person!

You do you!

caryking said:

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ciscopack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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If poor countries don't get vaccinated too, I assume it will get back to us at some point; probably not as bad. I'd like to go sit at any seat at a bar, I'd like to not worry about Covid-19 at any restaurant! Steve, you don't have to take this vaccine! If you have kids or a wife or nieces and nephews or a living mom or dad, all of them would be better off if you did! If you don't want to do your part, that is up to you! We need 75%, and 85% would be better! I don't think college basketball will ever make the year and the football playoffs might not either. Baseball, nope. The bar and the exercise shop you'd like to attend can probably open earlier if you and you buddies take the vaccine but that is up to you; we can wait another 6-12 months if you want. We can go through another year or 2. Nothing will be on the vaccine that says, " not approved for human consumption", your rights are your rights; the rest of us will have to live with it! If Donald Trump is your scientist, so be it!

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Steve, don't listen to Cisco's diatribe. Cisco is a sick person!

You do you!

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I consider Steve a long time friend via NC State sporting websites. I've followed him on 2 moves because he does a good job with football recruiting. Steve once emailed me about some (football) data and I was glad to help; actually I think he got what he needed before I responded? Maybe I did swing a little hard? I had a friend die in Beirut and I appreciate Steve's service and I'm glad he got over Gulf War Syndrome!

ciscopack said:

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caryking said:

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ciscopack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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If poor countries don't get vaccinated too, I assume it will get back to us at some point; probably not as bad. I'd like to go sit at any seat at a bar, I'd like to not worry about Covid-19 at any restaurant! Steve, you don't have to take this vaccine! If you have kids or a wife or nieces and nephews or a living mom or dad, all of them would be better off if you did! If you don't want to do your part, that is up to you! We need 75%, and 85% would be better! I don't think college basketball will ever make the year and the football playoffs might not either. Baseball, nope. The bar and the exercise shop you'd like to attend can probably open earlier if you and you buddies take the vaccine but that is up to you; we can wait another 6-12 months if you want. We can go through another year or 2. Nothing will be on the vaccine that says, " not approved for human consumption", your rights are your rights; the rest of us will have to live with it! If Donald Trump is your scientist, so be it!

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Steve, don't listen to Cisco's diatribe. Cisco is a sick person!

You do you!

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I consider Steve a long time friend via NC State sporting websites. I've followed him on 2 moves because he does a good job with football recruiting. Steve once emailed me about some (football) data and I was glad to help; actually I think he got what he needed before I responded? Maybe I did swing a little hard? I had a friend die in Beirut and I appreciate Steve's service and I'm glad he got over Gulf War Syndrome!

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All the things you just said are admirable! Thank You!

Steve Williams said:

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ciscopack said:

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caryking said:

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ciscopack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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If poor countries don't get vaccinated too, I assume it will get back to us at some point; probably not as bad. I'd like to go sit at any seat at a bar, I'd like to not worry about Covid-19 at any restaurant! Steve, you don't have to take this vaccine! If you have kids or a wife or nieces and nephews or a living mom or dad, all of them would be better off if you did! If you don't want to do your part, that is up to you! We need 75%, and 85% would be better! I don't think college basketball will ever make the year and the football playoffs might not either. Baseball, nope. The bar and the exercise shop you'd like to attend can probably open earlier if you and you buddies take the vaccine but that is up to you; we can wait another 6-12 months if you want. We can go through another year or 2. Nothing will be on the vaccine that says, " not approved for human consumption", your rights are your rights; the rest of us will have to live with it! If Donald Trump is your scientist, so be it!

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Steve, don't listen to Cisco's diatribe. Cisco is a sick person!

You do you!

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I consider Steve a long time friend via NC State sporting websites. I've followed him on 2 moves because he does a good job with football recruiting. Steve once emailed me about some (football) data and I was glad to help; actually I think he got what he needed before I responded? Maybe I did swing a little hard? I had a friend die in Beirut and I appreciate Steve's service and I'm glad he got over Gulf War Syndrome!

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Man, people are passionate on both sides and I don't take issue with anyone's beliefs. At the end of the day people have to do what is right by their family and themselves. In my mind, this debate and just the fact we can debate it are what makes our country what it is despite the fact we want to gouge our eyes out at times.

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Yes, we need to start appreciating our freedoms much more, including freedom of speech, which many of us (myself included) often take for granted. In Australia (and other countries), for example, it is against the law to speak against what is being done over covid, and people have been raided and arrested by police for merely speaking out on Facebook in opposition to mandatory mask orders. YouTube has been banning people/videos for questioning the "official" narrative on covid -- such as opposing the vaccines, or disputing how dangerous covid is.

Freedom of speech is on the precipice even here in the United States. There are certain people who DO want to make certain viewpoints (ie, views that oppose the "Establishment") illegal, and at the very least suppress and censor those views until they can make them illegal by force of law in the future.

GuerrillaPack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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ciscopack said:

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caryking said:

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ciscopack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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If poor countries don't get vaccinated too, I assume it will get back to us at some point; probably not as bad. I'd like to go sit at any seat at a bar, I'd like to not worry about Covid-19 at any restaurant! Steve, you don't have to take this vaccine! If you have kids or a wife or nieces and nephews or a living mom or dad, all of them would be better off if you did! If you don't want to do your part, that is up to you! We need 75%, and 85% would be better! I don't think college basketball will ever make the year and the football playoffs might not either. Baseball, nope. The bar and the exercise shop you'd like to attend can probably open earlier if you and you buddies take the vaccine but that is up to you; we can wait another 6-12 months if you want. We can go through another year or 2. Nothing will be on the vaccine that says, " not approved for human consumption", your rights are your rights; the rest of us will have to live with it! If Donald Trump is your scientist, so be it!

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Steve, don't listen to Cisco's diatribe. Cisco is a sick person!

You do you!

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I consider Steve a long time friend via NC State sporting websites. I've followed him on 2 moves because he does a good job with football recruiting. Steve once emailed me about some (football) data and I was glad to help; actually I think he got what he needed before I responded? Maybe I did swing a little hard? I had a friend die in Beirut and I appreciate Steve's service and I'm glad he got over Gulf War Syndrome!

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Man, people are passionate on both sides and I don't take issue with anyone's beliefs. At the end of the day people have to do what is right by their family and themselves. In my mind, this debate and just the fact we can debate it are what makes our country what it is despite the fact we want to gouge our eyes out at times.

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Yes, we need to start appreciating our freedoms much more, including freedom of speech, which many of us (myself included) often take for granted. In Australia (and other countries), for example, it is against the law (and people have been raided and arrested by police) by merely speaking out on Facebook against mandatory mask orders. YouTube has been banning people/videos for questioning the "official" narrative on covid -- such as opposing the vaccines, or disputing how dangerous covid is.

Freedom of speech is on the precipice even here in the United States. There are certain people who DO want to make certain viewpoints (ie, views that oppose the "Establishment") illegal, and at the very least suppress and censor those views until they can make them illegal by force of law in the future.

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I don't think that anyone here would ever argue that you don't exercise your freedom of speech my friend

Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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When I walked down that gauntlet in the early eighties, they inoculated with air guns...same injector on every soldier!!! I feel lucky not to be HIV positive.

cowboypack02 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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ciscopack said:

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caryking said:

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ciscopack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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If poor countries don't get vaccinated too, I assume it will get back to us at some point; probably not as bad. I'd like to go sit at any seat at a bar, I'd like to not worry about Covid-19 at any restaurant! Steve, you don't have to take this vaccine! If you have kids or a wife or nieces and nephews or a living mom or dad, all of them would be better off if you did! If you don't want to do your part, that is up to you! We need 75%, and 85% would be better! I don't think college basketball will ever make the year and the football playoffs might not either. Baseball, nope. The bar and the exercise shop you'd like to attend can probably open earlier if you and you buddies take the vaccine but that is up to you; we can wait another 6-12 months if you want. We can go through another year or 2. Nothing will be on the vaccine that says, " not approved for human consumption", your rights are your rights; the rest of us will have to live with it! If Donald Trump is your scientist, so be it!

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Steve, don't listen to Cisco's diatribe. Cisco is a sick person!

You do you!

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I consider Steve a long time friend via NC State sporting websites. I've followed him on 2 moves because he does a good job with football recruiting. Steve once emailed me about some (football) data and I was glad to help; actually I think he got what he needed before I responded? Maybe I did swing a little hard? I had a friend die in Beirut and I appreciate Steve's service and I'm glad he got over Gulf War Syndrome!

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Man, people are passionate on both sides and I don't take issue with anyone's beliefs. At the end of the day people have to do what is right by their family and themselves. In my mind, this debate and just the fact we can debate it are what makes our country what it is despite the fact we want to gouge our eyes out at times.

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Yes, we need to start appreciating our freedoms much more, including freedom of speech, which many of us (myself included) often take for granted. In Australia (and other countries), for example, it is against the law (and people have been raided and arrested by police) by merely speaking out on Facebook against mandatory mask orders. YouTube has been banning people/videos for questioning the "official" narrative on covid -- such as opposing the vaccines, or disputing how dangerous covid is.

Freedom of speech is on the precipice even here in the United States. There are certain people who DO want to make certain viewpoints (ie, views that oppose the "Establishment") illegal, and at the very least suppress and censor those views until they can make them illegal by force of law in the future.

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I don't think that anyone here would ever argue that you don't exercise your freedom of speech my friend

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Freedom of Speech is only as good as people allow it to happen. In the case of Google/Youtube, they have concluded certain speech isn't free. Being a private company; however, I am mixed on whether the government should do anything about it... My preference is for the free market to reign.

Now, if some of the tech companies are truly doing what I'm hearing, then they can be in trouble. Example:

Focusing "get out to vote" in specific areas
Squelching certain news

I'm not sure the legal grounds; however, it is very troubling...

Would do it yesterday.

Yes.

On a side note, I found this enjoyable.

Yes.
I'm a first responder, we've seen a lot of it. My Mom is in a nursing home, haven't seen her since February. There was a wave of it went through the nursing home and they lost probably 15 people to it. I had an employee die in July from it. I'm rolling up my sleeve and will take it.

Yes, can't wait.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science/new-vaccines-may-not-be-right-for-some-cancer-patients-solid-sewage-beats-wastewater-for-tracking-virus-idUSKBN28J2ZP

COVID-19 vaccines that employ new messenger RNA (mRNA) technology to fend off the illness may require further testing before it becomes clear they are safe for cancer patients with solid tumors, cancer treatment experts say. That would include the vaccines from Pfizer Inc with partner BioNTech SE and from Moderna Inc. The vaccines work by carrying genetic instructions for making a protein from the virus that the immune system learns to recognize and defend against. The mRNA is encased in a microscopic "packet" called a lipid nanoparticle (LNP), or liposome, that protects and delivers the fragile molecule into cells. While this technique is new for vaccines, it has long been used to carry cancer drugs into tumors, because tumors easily take up liposomes. This raises the possibility that tumor tissues would capture some of the liposomes carrying the vaccine's mRNA, said Gerard Milano of Nice University in France. The potential for part of the vaccine to become stuck in tumors and the resulting effect on cancer patients "is an open question to which there is currently no answer," Milano said. In a paper published on Wednesday in the British Journal of Cancer, his team calls for "a careful evaluation of the efficacy of these promising mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered as lipid carriers for patients with solid tumors, including a possible re-appraisal of the dosing for optimal protection of this specific and frail population." (go.nature.com/2JQq4hV)

That's just like the French.

Always ready to surrender - even on a sub-cellular level.

SupplyChainPack said:

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That's just like the French.

Always ready to surrender - even on a sub-cellular level.

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Sending this to my daughter who spent years working with RNA so I can see what she thinks. It will be a topic of discussion with my oncologists in a few weeks.

Steve Williams said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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When I walked down that gauntlet in the early eighties, they inoculated with air guns...same injector on every soldier!!! I feel lucky not to be HIV positive.

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I had completely forgotten about the air guns. Move at just the right second and it'd rip your arm open. LOL

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As I recall, in Cary, at a young age, we would go into one of the downtown buildings to get certain shots. We would stand in line and one after the other would step up and get a shot.

I think this was probably one of the vaccines we were to get back then...

Well, Trump just said the vaccine is safe, meets the "gold standard".

caryking said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This is probably going to sound conspiracy-theory crazy and I apologize beforehand but when I was in the Marines we literally would walk down a gauntlet of sorts getting shots in both arms. Never had a clue what they were putting in me and in the Marines, you damn sure didn't ask. Once we got to Desert Storm they gave us pills in a white box, clearly marked on the outside as "not approved for human consumption" stood us in formation and made all of us take them. Some months later there were many with Gulf War Syndrome of which I was one. Probably the sickest I've ever been in my life. I made up my mind then that I'd never allow the govt to put anything in my body and to this day haven't. Guess I'm really lucky that I fully recovered- took about six months but many never did. I know technically the Covid vaccine comes from Pfizer or whomever but in my mind it's all the same.

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When I walked down that gauntlet in the early eighties, they inoculated with air guns...same injector on every soldier!!! I feel lucky not to be HIV positive.

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I had completely forgotten about the air guns. Move at just the right second and it'd rip your arm open. LOL

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As I recall, in Cary, at a young age, we would go into one of the downtown buildings to get certain shots. We would stand in line and one after the other would step up and get a shot.

I think this was probably one of the vaccines we were to get back then...

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I remember in first grade, nurses came to the school and kids who didn't have their vaccines lined up and had to get them right there in the hallway.

Unless data suggests the vax is unsafe,

Yes.