EthanBarry said:

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Keeping an eye on what happens at PC too

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Ah pitching coach

EthanBarry said:

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Rett in center, Ryan at short, Nance on Friday's. Everything else needs to be reset, but that's an excellent starting point if you can keep them. I think there's optimism about keeping Nance. I'm expecting 7-8 draft picks: Head, Sherm, McHugh, Wiggins, Nixon, Marohn, Dudan, Consiglio. Keeping an eye on what happens at PC too

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You think that rumor about Sogard is even slightly legitimate?

Chrysler can't be retained he's ruined several guys

The pitching staff was a mess this year independent of JD and RM.

I think the staff needs a shake up or it is more of the same

wolfgators said:

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I think the staff needs a shake up or it is more of the same

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More of the same? Being one of the best teams in the country year in and year out, making the post season at a ninety percent clip, going to the CWS, putting guys in the pros? The horror!

DeCarlo at Catcher next year looks solid.

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wolfgators said:

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I think the staff needs a shake up or it is more of the same

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More of the same? Being one of the best teams in the country year in and year out, making the post season at a ninety percent clip, going to the CWS, putting guys in the pros? The horror!

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More of the same of not winning a big game when the opportunity is there. And I get it, college World Series,…

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wolfgators said:

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I think the staff needs a shake up or it is more of the same

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More of the same? Being one of the best teams in the country year in and year out, making the post season at a ninety percent clip, going to the CWS, putting guys in the pros? The horror!

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brother you cant teach baby's

Feel pretty confident Bo and JT return. There is some legit smoke about the Sogard rumors It's Harts team now.

EthanBarry said:

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I don't have Chrysler numbers in front of my but the quality of arm and depth of them is head and shoulders what we've ever had. Avent had one trip to Omaha pre-Chrysler, with Rodon, two trips with him carried by a bunch of pitchability righties and mega stuff in the pen between Justice, Villaman, Dudan, Smith. They've had real prospects yearly: Swiney, Justice, Villaman, Fritton, etc. I don't think anybody knows how many or which strings Avent pulls compared to Chrysler, which is the main complaint. But as far as I can tell, a lot of the things we don't like pre-dated Chrysler

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Absolutely agree with what you're saying and for the record I am indifferent on Chrysler. Before this year I was a fan of his. If Sogard is an option obviously would prefer that for multiple reasons.

Just to make counter argument because I love talking baseball. Velocity and stuff is up across baseball in general.

My problems this with Chrysler this year start with you have so many guys with legit stuff and you couldn't turn one of them into a competent bullpen arm. Kitchings, Manuel, Black, JP, Heintz, Ragusa, Hemric, Garino

Not to mention the lack of progression from Consiglio and Heath Andrews who both are extremely talented.

I usually blame the players first but with this many talented guys and not one developed over the course of the year, it raises eyebrows.

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EthanBarry said:

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I don't have Chrysler numbers in front of my but the quality of arm and depth of them is head and shoulders what we've ever had. Avent had one trip to Omaha pre-Chrysler, with Rodon, two trips with him carried by a bunch of pitchability righties and mega stuff in the pen between Justice, Villaman, Dudan, Smith. They've had real prospects yearly: Swiney, Justice, Villaman, Fritton, etc. I don't think anybody knows how many or which strings Avent pulls compared to Chrysler, which is the main complaint. But as far as I can tell, a lot of the things we don't like pre-dated Chrysler

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Absolutely agree with what you're saying and for the record I am indifferent on Chrysler. Before this year I was a fan of his. If Sogard is an option obviously would prefer that for multiple reasons.

Just to make counter argument because I love talking baseball. Velocity and stuff is up across baseball in general.

My problems this with Chrysler this year start with you have so many guys with legit stuff and you couldn't turn one of them into a competent bullpen arm. Kitchings, Manuel, Black, JP, Heintz, Ragusa, Hemric, Garino

Not to mention the lack of progression from Consiglio and Heath Andrews who both are extremely talented.

I usually blame the players first but with this many talented guys and not one developed over the course of the year, it raises eyebrows.

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Most of those guys you mention above have command issues. It starts with recruiting. We have to do a better job of identifying the right guys. 96 doesn't mean **** if you can't command the baseball. In fact college hitters could give a **** in general about velo. It is about stuff. Like Ben McDonald talked about all weekend. It is what makes you different. What do you do differently. 2 of the dudes Carolina throw out there in McDuffie and Decaro command it and have elite change ups. Most of our guys have stock stuff with a lack of
Command.

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Most high school guys don't come in with elite change ups. They don't need it in high school. If they have stuff, command, and multiple pitches they aren't stepping foot on campus.

I have no problem taking stuff and trying to develop it. But that's the key development.