Pack 9 (12-2) vs Lafayette (1-7) GM1 L 11-6 GM 2 W 10-4 GM 3 W 14-4

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5thyear said:

Their is no way on gods green earth Dudan should be over 110 pitches right now at this point of the season. What the hell are we doing. His arm is going to be shot.


Agreed, complete mismanagement


God lord guys. Look around college baseball. Every top starter in d1 baseball's top 20 has had at least one 95+ pitch outing so far with most having multiple plus a 100+ outing.

You ramp up to this. There's almost zero danger. The danger comes if a guy isn't conditioned to go multiple days in a row. It's the heating up

Jake Knapp came off a UCL last year and threw 111 in his 3rd start and was the pitcher of the year. Threw over 100-110 almost every start.
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Alex Gee said:

Slobbering_Wolf said:

5thyear said:

Their is no way on gods green earth Dudan should be over 110 pitches right now at this point of the season. What the hell are we doing. His arm is going to be shot.


Agreed, complete mismanagement


God lord guys. Look around college baseball. Every top starter in d1 baseball's top 20 has had at least one 95+ pitch outing so far with most having multiple plus a 100+ outing.

You ramp up to this. There's almost zero danger. The danger comes if a guy isn't conditioned to go multiple days in a row. It's the heating up

Jake Knapp came off a UCL last year and threw 111 in his 3rd start and was the pitcher of the year. Threw over 100-110 almost every start.


Nobody, and I mean nobody, freaks out about a starting pitcher's pitch count like NC State fans. A tradition unlike any other. Doesn't matter what time of year it is, any time a starter goes over 100, pearls are clutched.
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I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball
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Slobbering_Wolf said:

With stupid choices you get stupid results, unless Ryan is hurt, there is NO EXCUSE why he shouldn't be starting this game, screw rest, the season just started


Turns out he was hurt
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Glasswolf said:

Slobbering_Wolf said:

With stupid choices you get stupid results, unless Ryan is hurt, there is NO EXCUSE why he shouldn't be starting this game, screw rest, the season just started


Turns out he was hurt


Some folks made really strong statements yesterday based on dumb assumptions. Unsurprisingly, nobody has recanted.
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Sunday game moved to 11am 1st pitch
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Fill me in - baseball is a fluky game at times . Why does the baseball RPI in a 40 or 50 game season allow one single game to wreck the metrics . Why is it weighted that harshly? Something seems off .
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Bas2020 said:

Fill me in - baseball is a fluky game at times . Why does the baseball RPI in a 40 or 50 game season allow one single game to wreck the metrics . Why is it weighted that harshly? Something seems off .


It doesn't.
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Alex Gee said:

Bas2020 said:

Fill me in - baseball is a fluky game at times . Why does the baseball RPI in a 40 or 50 game season allow one single game to wreck the metrics . Why is it weighted that harshly? Something seems off .

It doesn't.


I said it before but anyone worried about yesterday's game. Go look at the RPI numbers from last year. The top 5 RPI teams lost 7 quad 4 games.

If you don't host it won't be because you have a single bad loss in March.
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PGAWolf said:

Alex Gee said:

Bas2020 said:

Fill me in - baseball is a fluky game at times . Why does the baseball RPI in a 40 or 50 game season allow one single game to wreck the metrics . Why is it weighted that harshly? Something seems off .

It doesn't.


I said it before but anyone worried about yesterday's game. Go look at the RPI numbers from last year. The top 5 RPI teams lost 7 quad 4 games.

If you don't host it won't be because you have a single bad loss in March.

So the sky is not falling right?
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Pitch count is a way over used panic metric that has been pounded into our brains. I don't want to see a guy throw 150 pitches - but Dudan cruised the whole day - no stress - was pulled first stressful moment after pitch count got to 90.

Guys get hurt when they are trying to do too much when they are exhausted.

But 114 pitches - beautiful day - no decline in velo. What a great time to stretch him out.
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M_A said:

I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball


Has nothing to do with pitch counts in Japan vs USA. It has everything to do with what American baseball pitchers are now asked to do in those 100 pitches... Maximize velocity and spin rate. That's the issue with asking guys to throw tons of pitches early on. .
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M_A said:

I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball


I don't agree with this and I have a son who is a D1 college pitcher. A big reason you see so many arm injuries these days is because of the over use as kids. Pitch counts and how often they throw and almost year round.
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ICW Wolf said:

M_A said:

I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball


I don't agree with this and I have a son who is a college pitcher. A big reason you see so many arm injuries these days is because of the over use as kids. Pitch counts and how often they throw and almost year round.


A lot of people on here talking about stuff they don't know much about.
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PGA Tour player Jake Knapp?
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PGA Tour player Jake Knapp?


I really wish that Jake Knapp had been the one that pitched against us last year lol.
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Silky smooth golf swing though
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ICW Wolf said:

ICW Wolf said:

M_A said:

I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball


I don't agree with this and I have a son who is a college pitcher. A big reason you see so many arm injuries these days is because of the over use as kids. Pitch counts and how often they throw and almost year round.


A lot of people on here talking about stuff they don't know much about.



I agree with how arms are handled as youth being a major problem. Not as many multi sport athletes now - no off-season to rest arm - throwing with no proper guidance in thrown together travel tournaments etc.

I coached high school baseball before there were pitch count rules. I had kids go over 100 pitches - and in 9 seasons we never had a single arm injury. Yeah, we'd scratch a start here and there for soreness - but never had any season ending injury, never had a kid go under the knife. Being at a small school, 80% of our guys played multiple sports - and I think in the life of the arm that made a big difference - even the guys that went on to play in college - none ever ended up in surgery.

These guys in college, the starters - they throw once every 7 days - they have training staff, nutrition, strength and conditioning - and on top of that all the metrics to indicate if there is any weakening in mechanics, posture, etc. I just don't see pitch count being the definitive call on when a pitcher comes out of a ball game.

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8-9 year olds playing anything year-round is a travesty.
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ICW Wolf said:

M_A said:

I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball


I don't agree with this and I have a son who is a D1 college pitcher. A big reason you see so many arm injuries these days is because of the over use as kids. Pitch counts and how often they throw and almost year round.

I have coached baseball for 12 years....all ages and this is the damn truth if there ever was one. It's sickening to see.

I would add nobody teaches proper mechanics at the young age (some do, most don't), "Travel Ball" has become "year around rec ball." You get a lot of kids without proper training throwing improperly year around and throwing way too many pitches per game.

I now coach at a Middle School and the travel ball players coming to tryouts with their $1500 a season hats know next to nothing. It's a real problem.
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YouPeople said:

ICW Wolf said:

M_A said:

I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball


I don't agree with this and I have a son who is a D1 college pitcher. A big reason you see so many arm injuries these days is because of the over use as kids. Pitch counts and how often they throw and almost year round.

I have coached baseball for 12 years....all ages and this is the damn truth if there ever was one. It's sickening to see.

I would add nobody teaches proper mechanics at the young age (some do, most don't), "Travel Ball" has become "year around rec ball." You get a lot of kids without proper training throwing improperly year around and throwing way too many pitches per game.

I now coach at a Middle School and the travel ball players coming to tryouts with their $1500 a season hats know next to nothing. It's a real problem.


Yep. I agree with most everything you say. There are some good programs being run but they are very much few and far between. It also is parents of young kids that don't know what they are doing and think bullpens are like getting in some cage work - in other words just unlimited.
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stategrad06 said:

ICW Wolf said:

ICW Wolf said:

M_A said:

I probably wouldnt do it against Lafayette but the pitch count stuff is made up BS. Guys throw less pitches than ever and blow out their arms more than ever in MLB

In Japan they throw over 100 every outing and stay healthy because they only start once a week. Kind of like...college baseball


I don't agree with this and I have a son who is a college pitcher. A big reason you see so many arm injuries these days is because of the over use as kids. Pitch counts and how often they throw and almost year round.


A lot of people on here talking about stuff they don't know much about.



I agree with how arms are handled as youth being a major problem. Not as many multi sport athletes now - no off-season to rest arm - throwing with no proper guidance in thrown together travel tournaments etc.

I coached high school baseball before there were pitch count rules. I had kids go over 100 pitches - and in 9 seasons we never had a single arm injury. Yeah, we'd scratch a start here and there for soreness - but never had any season ending injury, never had a kid go under the knife. Being at a small school, 80% of our guys played multiple sports - and I think in the life of the arm that made a big difference - even the guys that went on to play in college - none ever ended up in surgery.

These guys in college, the starters - they throw once every 7 days - they have training staff, nutrition, strength and conditioning - and on top of that all the metrics to indicate if there is any weakening in mechanics, posture, etc. I just don't see pitch count being the definitive call on when a pitcher comes out of a ball game.




Fair. We could talk for days on arm care and such.
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Bonn gets the start today. From D1 baseball defensive runs saved, Bonn has actually been quite a bit better behind the plate than Lanphere, who's been right about at replacement level. Just need to find someone who can be replacement level at the plate.
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packer_07 said:

Bonn gets the start today. From D1 baseball defensive runs saved, Bonn has actually been quite a bit better behind the plate than Lanphere, who's been right about at replacement level. Just need to find someone who can be replacement level at the plate.


I think I'd almost rather take my lumps with the freshman. Lanphere is unplayable in the batter's box. He's been **** against **** competition.
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Score updates? The apps still show the game starting at 1.
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Pakbackr said:

Score updates? The apps still show the game starting at 1.


1-0 other team going to bottom 3
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FlockaWolf said:

Pakbackr said:

Score updates? The apps still show the game starting at 1.


1-0 other team going to bottom 3

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Bonn with a Bomb!!
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Welcome to the starting lineup Bonn 1-1
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wilmwolf said:

Glasswolf said:

Slobbering_Wolf said:

With stupid choices you get stupid results, unless Ryan is hurt, there is NO EXCUSE why he shouldn't be starting this game, screw rest, the season just started


Turns out he was hurt


Some folks made really strong statements yesterday based on dumb assumptions. Unsurprisingly, nobody has recanted.


No reason to recant because I said unless he was hurt
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Pretty disappointing weekend for our hitting against their starting pitching
 
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