Especially after Highfill not pitching that poorly. We have to get better defensively if we are going to win more than we lose

extra baseball

due to travel rules, no inning can start after 6pm

Can't touch this punk BC pitcher

What has Nelson done that gives you confidence to leave him in here?

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What has Nelson done that gives you confidence to leave him in here?

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Nothing.

*fart noise*

Ridiculous. This game is on the defense.

I know we'd have never thrown him out, but wth happened on the catch lmao

You don't walk the first two batters in the 10th inning. Please someone in the bullpen needs to grow a pair.

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What has Nelson done that gives you confidence to leave him in here?

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Coaching has been awful in ACC play. The choice of who to pitch, who to leave in and for how long with the bullpen arms has been atrocious.

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You don't walk the first two batters in the 10th inning. Please someone in the bullpen needs to grow a pair.

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After the success Britton had in the PAC-12 last season his lack of use is mind blowing. I'd argue he's our best bullpen arm if we would let him pitch

Wang really pounded us.

You bring in Britton and Watkins to let Baker Nelson blow game after game.

Louisville and Wake up next. It's getting late early. This sucks.

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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You bring in Britton and Watkins to let Baker Nelson blow game after game.

Louisville and Wake up next. It's getting late early. This sucks.

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Watkins and Britton haven't been able to throw strikes lately. Watkins was down right bad his last outing.

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Yea I don't get the criticism of guys "not improving" as he has clearly been a pitching coach that has improved players every off season. But whoever is choosing who comes out to throw from the bullpen has no idea what they are doing. It's been awful

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Wang really pounded us.

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I just want you to know, I saw this and this is good work.

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You don't walk the first two batters in the 10th inning. Please someone in the bullpen needs to grow a pair.

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After the success Britton had in the PAC-12 last season his lack of use is mind blowing. I'd argue he's our best bullpen arm if we would let him pitch

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Why would you argue this? What have you seen of him that leads you to believe he's our best arm out of the pen right now? I'm curious as to what you're seeing that I'm not.

He can't throw strikes right now. He's got good stuff but he's been all over the place this year so far.

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Evan Justice, Swiney and Silver, i'll give you. We could use a Silver type right now.

Reid Johnston was a weekend guy as a freshman and statistically he got worse almost every year. Villaman was good all 3 years and didn't go from good to necessarily dominant. Took a baby step. Whitaker is still eh to me and the jury is out.

outside of who i mentioned- Dalton Feeney got worse. David harrison got worse. Garrett Payne didn't progress from year 1-2. Back a few years Bielien never got better, Logan Bender never did a thing at NCSU.

Honestly- a healthy Cam Cotter, Bender, Austin Pace, etc would probably make him look a lot better. All 3 of those kids had a nice future

There are too many variables as to why some players never got better (Bender was apparently hurt. Obviously payne is hurt now), but IMO there would be better options out there because i am not sure how any of the statistics back up him being anything besides average

With the exception of Candelaria and Harrison (who seems to be returning to the mean), it seems like our portal evaluation was sub par, including on the mound

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Evan Justice, Swiney and Silver, i'll give you. We could use a Silver type right now.

Reid Johnston was a weekend guy as a freshman and statistically he got worse almost every year. Villaman was good all 3 years and didn't go from good to necessarily dominant. Took a baby step. Whitaker is still eh to me and the jury is out.

outside of who i mentioned- Dalton Feeney got worse. David harrison got worse. Garrett Payne didn't progress from year 1-2. Back a few years Bielien never got better, Logan Bender never did a thing at NCSU.

Honestly- a healthy Cam Cotter, Bender, Austin Pace, etc would probably make him look a lot better. All 3 of those kids had a nice future

There are too many variables as to why some players never got better (Bender was apparently hurt. Obviously payne is hurt now), but IMO there would be better options out there because i am not sure how any of the statistics back up him being anything besides average

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Oh you'll give those to me? Thanks bud. haha (I'm kidding before the fun police get panties wadded)

Nice try at nitpicking Reid and Villaman. Those dudes got better from day 1 to draft day, you're nitpicking to suite your narrative. They were nowhere near the same dudes as they were as FR. Some of that is them and some of that is coaching.

Feeney - had an injury and never was the same. Never mind he came to school already having TJ surgery.

It's almost like you figured out the injury part mid post. haha

Whitaker missed 3 years due to injury. What he's done last year and this year is pretty amazing after missing all that time with injuries. Dude's had complete elbow reconstruction. He's a lot on his own but Clint has played a part too.

Look, if Clint gets shown the door after this season, fine with me. But let's not act like he was a bum while coaching here.

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You don't walk the first two batters in the 10th inning. Please someone in the bullpen needs to grow a pair.

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After the success Britton had in the PAC-12 last season his lack of use is mind blowing. I'd argue he's our best bullpen arm if we would let him pitch

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Why would you argue this? What have you seen of him that leads you to believe he's our best arm out of the pen right now? I'm curious as to what you're seeing that I'm not.

He can't throw strikes right now. He's got good stuff but he's been all over the place this year so far.

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Probably slight hyperbole on my part but I mean he's gotten 2 appearances in 9 ACC game (and wasn't great). Maybe give him a role and let him play? Idk how you can just keep trotting out the guys we are. Main point I'm trying to make is you have to pitch some of the other guys. Current guys will have their arms will fall off if we don't. Pitching two different dudes in two games today was awful malpractice. Highfill starting game 2 would have been understandable but sitting him down and letting him have to get back warm? Dumb.

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You don't walk the first two batters in the 10th inning. Please someone in the bullpen needs to grow a pair.

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After the success Britton had in the PAC-12 last season his lack of use is mind blowing. I'd argue he's our best bullpen arm if we would let him pitch

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Why would you argue this? What have you seen of him that leads you to believe he's our best arm out of the pen right now? I'm curious as to what you're seeing that I'm not.

He can't throw strikes right now. He's got good stuff but he's been all over the place this year so far.

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Probably slight hyperbole on my part but I mean he's gotten 2 appearances in 9 ACC game (and wasn't great). Maybe give him a role and let him play? Idk how you can just keep trotting out the guys we are. Main point I'm trying to make is you have to pitch some of the other guys. Current guys will have their arms will fall off if we don't. Pitching two different dudes in two games today was awful malpractice. Highfill starting game 2 would have been understandable but sitting him down and letting him have to get back warm? Dumb.

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Slight?

Britton gets a role when he shows he can throw strikes. He's been given several chances b/c we need him.

Sam threw 12 pitches in game 1. Twelve.

Counting the starters we threw 6 arms today....

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Evan Justice, Swiney and Silver, i'll give you. We could use a Silver type right now.

Reid Johnston was a weekend guy as a freshman and statistically he got worse almost every year. Villaman was good all 3 years and didn't go from good to necessarily dominant. Took a baby step. Whitaker is still eh to me and the jury is out.

outside of who i mentioned- Dalton Feeney got worse. David harrison got worse. Garrett Payne didn't progress from year 1-2. Back a few years Bielien never got better, Logan Bender never did a thing at NCSU.

Honestly- a healthy Cam Cotter, Bender, Austin Pace, etc would probably make him look a lot better. All 3 of those kids had a nice future

There are too many variables as to why some players never got better (Bender was apparently hurt. Obviously payne is hurt now), but IMO there would be better options out there because i am not sure how any of the statistics back up him being anything besides average

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Oh you'll give those to me? Thanks bud. haha (I'm kidding before the fun police get panties wadded)

Nice try at nitpicking Reid and Villaman. Those dudes got better from day 1 to draft day, you're nitpicking to suite your narrative. They were nowhere near the same dudes as they were as FR. Some of that is them and some of that is coaching.

Feeney - had an injury and never was the same. Never mind he came to school already having TJ surgery.

It's almost like you figured out the injury part mid post. haha

Whitaker missed 3 years due to injury. What he's done last year and this year is pretty amazing after missing all that time with injuries. Dude's had complete elbow reconstruction. He's a lot on his own but Clint has played a part too.

Look, if Clint gets shown the door after this season, fine with me. But let's not act like he was a bum while coaching here.

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Yeah i mean if you think Reid improved that much after his freshman year (where he was a freshman AA) then idk what to tell you. His K numbers went up, but that's about it. Again, Reid was AWESOME, and a fantastic competitor, but he went from freshman AA to 3rd team all ACC by the time he left. he improved, but he was always very good off the rip.

Villaman was a dude from the get go- credit to the coaches for putting him in the pen where his stuff played up.

Maybe its me, but I am not sure how the coaches get credit for Whitaker coming back from injury? That seems like a Whitaker thing. Again, awesome competitor and good pitcher but the jury is out and CC getting credit is weird to me.

Doesn't change the fact that there isn't 1 year under Clint where you go "wow, we had a great staff that year". It is basically middle of the pack in most categories.

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Yea I don't get the criticism of guys "not improving" as he has clearly been a pitching coach that has improved players every off season. But whoever is choosing who comes out to throw from the bullpen has no idea what they are doing. It's been awful

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CC has been here for 5 years. You guys can only name 6 guys that have improved under him. That's not a good ratio.

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Evan Justice, Swiney and Silver, i'll give you. We could use a Silver type right now.

Reid Johnston was a weekend guy as a freshman and statistically he got worse almost every year. Villaman was good all 3 years and didn't go from good to necessarily dominant. Took a baby step. Whitaker is still eh to me and the jury is out.

outside of who i mentioned- Dalton Feeney got worse. David harrison got worse. Garrett Payne didn't progress from year 1-2. Back a few years Bielien never got better, Logan Bender never did a thing at NCSU.

Honestly- a healthy Cam Cotter, Bender, Austin Pace, etc would probably make him look a lot better. All 3 of those kids had a nice future

There are too many variables as to why some players never got better (Bender was apparently hurt. Obviously payne is hurt now), but IMO there would be better options out there because i am not sure how any of the statistics back up him being anything besides average

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Oh you'll give those to me? Thanks bud. haha (I'm kidding before the fun police get panties wadded)

Nice try at nitpicking Reid and Villaman. Those dudes got better from day 1 to draft day, you're nitpicking to suite your narrative. They were nowhere near the same dudes as they were as FR. Some of that is them and some of that is coaching.

Feeney - had an injury and never was the same. Never mind he came to school already having TJ surgery.

It's almost like you figured out the injury part mid post. haha

Whitaker missed 3 years due to injury. What he's done last year and this year is pretty amazing after missing all that time with injuries. Dude's had complete elbow reconstruction. He's a lot on his own but Clint has played a part too.

Look, if Clint gets shown the door after this season, fine with me. But let's not act like he was a bum while coaching here.

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Yeah i mean if you think Reid improved that much after his freshman year (where he was a freshman AA) then idk what to tell you. His K numbers went up, but that's about it. Again, Reid was AWESOME, and a fantastic competitor, but he went from freshman AA to 3rd team all ACC by the time he left. he improved, but he was always very good off the rip.

Villaman was a dude from the get go- credit to the coaches for putting him in the pen where his stuff played up.

Maybe its me, but I am not sure how the coaches get credit for Whitaker coming back from injury? That seems like a Whitaker thing. Again, awesome competitor and good pitcher but the jury is out and CC getting credit is weird to me.

Doesn't change the fact that there isn't 1 year under Clint where you go "wow, we had a great staff that year". It is basically middle of the pack in most categories.

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So you honestly expect me to believe that you think Reid was the same dude as a FR that he was a SR or whatever he was called after covid? That's what we're doing here?

I'm going to be nice here b/c I don't really have the energy, but we're just going to agree to disagree about most of your post above.

The bolded part goes to my point about recruiting for the most part. But if you didn't go "wow, we had a great staff" in 2021 then....I don't know my dude. I just don't know what to say.


I was going to post this on its own but I'll stick it here. If we want better arms then let's NIL that sht into existence. I'm guessing Mako and Maroudis cost more than feasible but with more and more kids coming to school instead of signing it's time to use NIL in our favor with baseball.

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Evan Justice, Swiney and Silver, i'll give you. We could use a Silver type right now.

Reid Johnston was a weekend guy as a freshman and statistically he got worse almost every year. Villaman was good all 3 years and didn't go from good to necessarily dominant. Took a baby step. Whitaker is still eh to me and the jury is out.

outside of who i mentioned- Dalton Feeney got worse. David harrison got worse. Garrett Payne didn't progress from year 1-2. Back a few years Bielien never got better, Logan Bender never did a thing at NCSU.

Honestly- a healthy Cam Cotter, Bender, Austin Pace, etc would probably make him look a lot better. All 3 of those kids had a nice future

There are too many variables as to why some players never got better (Bender was apparently hurt. Obviously payne is hurt now), but IMO there would be better options out there because i am not sure how any of the statistics back up him being anything besides average

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Oh you'll give those to me? Thanks bud. haha (I'm kidding before the fun police get panties wadded)

Nice try at nitpicking Reid and Villaman. Those dudes got better from day 1 to draft day, you're nitpicking to suite your narrative. They were nowhere near the same dudes as they were as FR. Some of that is them and some of that is coaching.

Feeney - had an injury and never was the same. Never mind he came to school already having TJ surgery.

It's almost like you figured out the injury part mid post. haha

Whitaker missed 3 years due to injury. What he's done last year and this year is pretty amazing after missing all that time with injuries. Dude's had complete elbow reconstruction. He's a lot on his own but Clint has played a part too.

Look, if Clint gets shown the door after this season, fine with me. But let's not act like he was a bum while coaching here.

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Yeah i mean if you think Reid improved that much after his freshman year (where he was a freshman AA) then idk what to tell you. His K numbers went up, but that's about it. Again, Reid was AWESOME, and a fantastic competitor, but he went from freshman AA to 3rd team all ACC by the time he left. he improved, but he was always very good off the rip.

Villaman was a dude from the get go- credit to the coaches for putting him in the pen where his stuff played up.

Maybe its me, but I am not sure how the coaches get credit for Whitaker coming back from injury? That seems like a Whitaker thing. Again, awesome competitor and good pitcher but the jury is out and CC getting credit is weird to me.

Doesn't change the fact that there isn't 1 year under Clint where you go "wow, we had a great staff that year". It is basically middle of the pack in most categories.

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So you honestly expect me to believe that you think Reid was the same dude as a FR that he was a SR or whatever he was called after covid? That's what we're doing here?

I'm going to be nice here b/c I don't really have the energy, but we're just going to agree to disagree about most of your post above.

The bolded part goes to my point about recruiting for the most part. But if you didn't go "wow, we had a great staff" in 2021 then....I don't know my dude. I just don't know what to say.


I was going to post this on its own but I'll stick it here. If we want better arms then let's NIL that sht into existence. I'm guessing Mako and Maroudis cost more than feasible but with more and more kids coming to school instead of signing it's time to use NIL in our favor with baseball.

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nowhere did i say reid was the same dude/pitcher. he got better. he didn't get much better. i am saying he came in and was (very) good as a freshman and left as a good ACC pitcher. that is not drastic improvement.

and yeah in 2021 when our offense and defense was the best in the ACC (tbh i think we would have won the natty), the pitching was middle of the pack over the course of the season. They got hot at the right time and we had a perfect set up for a 3 game series and winners bracket omaha. Had hosses to get through 7 innings and let Villaman/Justice get 10 innings for a weekend. Credit to the coaches for not trusting anyone outside of their 5 guys. it worked. but the facts are, that pitching staff was very average statistically that year BUT avent and Clint made the adjustments late in the year and they certainly deserve credit for that

That oughta do it on the season, boys. Sure, there's a chance we can salvage a regional, but at this point I think it's fair to say we are who we are. Bad defense, spotty pitching, inconsistent hitting, and above all else, very questionable managing. Sucks that the awful defense wasn't remedied in the offseason. I think we need a shakeup of the coaching staff, like some others have mentioned, I'd like to see chrysler let go.

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i know this isn't all on him but man, gotta question Chysler as a coach. not many guys have gotten better under his watch, especially in the pen. Nelson, no. Carson kelly, nah. willadsen did and highfill honestly is a TBD (great pitcher overall, but performed well as a freshman too). underwhelming few years

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Game two is on the defense. If Nolan and Trice played the ball like they have actually played in the OF before we're not doing this. Highfill has been injured and he brought that with him from HS so let's not make that up.

Canaan Silver
Evan Justice
Reid Johnston
Chris Villaman
Nick Swiney
Logan Whitaker

All those dudes above have been legit or improved under Clint. I'm not saying he's above criticism bc he's not and I'm not sure about his recruiting, like I don't understand it but the last two years the defense has been down right fkn weird and let the staff down on many occasions. How does ol boy in RF just fall down on that fly ball? Lol

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Evan Justice, Swiney and Silver, i'll give you. We could use a Silver type right now.

Reid Johnston was a weekend guy as a freshman and statistically he got worse almost every year. Villaman was good all 3 years and didn't go from good to necessarily dominant. Took a baby step. Whitaker is still eh to me and the jury is out.

outside of who i mentioned- Dalton Feeney got worse. David harrison got worse. Garrett Payne didn't progress from year 1-2. Back a few years Bielien never got better, Logan Bender never did a thing at NCSU.

Honestly- a healthy Cam Cotter, Bender, Austin Pace, etc would probably make him look a lot better. All 3 of those kids had a nice future

There are too many variables as to why some players never got better (Bender was apparently hurt. Obviously payne is hurt now), but IMO there would be better options out there because i am not sure how any of the statistics back up him being anything besides average

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Oh you'll give those to me? Thanks bud. haha (I'm kidding before the fun police get panties wadded)

Nice try at nitpicking Reid and Villaman. Those dudes got better from day 1 to draft day, you're nitpicking to suite your narrative. They were nowhere near the same dudes as they were as FR. Some of that is them and some of that is coaching.

Feeney - had an injury and never was the same. Never mind he came to school already having TJ surgery.

It's almost like you figured out the injury part mid post. haha

Whitaker missed 3 years due to injury. What he's done last year and this year is pretty amazing after missing all that time with injuries. Dude's had complete elbow reconstruction. He's a lot on his own but Clint has played a part too.

Look, if Clint gets shown the door after this season, fine with me. But let's not act like he was a bum while coaching here.

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Yeah i mean if you think Reid improved that much after his freshman year (where he was a freshman AA) then idk what to tell you. His K numbers went up, but that's about it. Again, Reid was AWESOME, and a fantastic competitor, but he went from freshman AA to 3rd team all ACC by the time he left. he improved, but he was always very good off the rip.

Villaman was a dude from the get go- credit to the coaches for putting him in the pen where his stuff played up.

Maybe its me, but I am not sure how the coaches get credit for Whitaker coming back from injury? That seems like a Whitaker thing. Again, awesome competitor and good pitcher but the jury is out and CC getting credit is weird to me.

Doesn't change the fact that there isn't 1 year under Clint where you go "wow, we had a great staff that year". It is basically middle of the pack in most categories.

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So you honestly expect me to believe that you think Reid was the same dude as a FR that he was a SR or whatever he was called after covid? That's what we're doing here?

I'm going to be nice here b/c I don't really have the energy, but we're just going to agree to disagree about most of your post above.

The bolded part goes to my point about recruiting for the most part. But if you didn't go "wow, we had a great staff" in 2021 then....I don't know my dude. I just don't know what to say.


I was going to post this on its own but I'll stick it here. If we want better arms then let's NIL that sht into existence. I'm guessing Mako and Maroudis cost more than feasible but with more and more kids coming to school instead of signing it's time to use NIL in our favor with baseball.

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nowhere did i say reid was the same dude/pitcher. he got better. he didn't get much better. i am saying he came in and was (very) good as a freshman and left as a good ACC pitcher. that is not drastic improvement.

and yeah in 2021 when our offense and defense was the best in the ACC (tbh i think we would have won the natty), the pitching was middle of the pack over the course of the season. They got hot at the right time and we had a perfect set up for a 3 game series and winners bracket omaha. Had hosses to get through 7 innings and let Villaman/Justice get 10 innings for a weekend. Credit to the coaches for not trusting anyone outside of their 5 guys. it worked. but the facts are, that pitching staff was very average statistically that year BUT avent and Clint made the adjustments late in the year and they certainly deserve credit for that

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Did you just say that Reid, "got better"....

this season is beginning to feel like the end of the Avent era. This team's going nowhere, all the new transfer rules have to be driving him bat **** crazy (and, frankly, he doesn't know how to do it very well, judging by the numerous deficits in multiple areas on this year's team two years removed from CWS). Why would he stick around?

Can someone explain what Nolan and Trice were doing on those soft fly balls that changed the series -- Game 3, bottom 6? Were they playing just way too deep and made bad reads?