JUST IN: Garland’s appointment of David Weiss as special counsel in Hunter Biden investigation appears to be ILLEGAL per statue 600.3 which states “The special counsel shall be selected from OUTSIDE the United States Government”..

DEVELOPING..

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— Chuck Callesto (@ChuckCallesto) August 11, 2023

Wasn't John Durham a federal prosecutor immediately prior to Bill Barr appointing him special counsel to dig into the FBI's RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA hot takes?

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Wasn't John Durham a federal prosecutor immediately prior to Bill Barr appointing him special counsel to dig into the FBI's RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA hot takes?

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Only after Devin Nunes and Kash Patel did all the work and blew the narrative to hell!!!

Now, that's a man that was raided because of his inflammatory comments…. He could've actually done something, right?

Here is a photo of Craig Robertson in Provo, a carpenter, who had recently organized a group of volunteers to build a ramp for a disabled neighbor pic.twitter.com/CJjryrRgOU

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 10, 2023

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wasn't John Durham a federal prosecutor immediately prior to Bill Barr appointing him special counsel to dig into the FBI's RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA hot takes?

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Only after Devin Nunes and Kash Patel did all the work and blew the narrative to hell!!!

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I'm talking about the "outside the government" qualifier for special counsels.

If John Durham was eligible as a federal prosecutor, Weiss is eligible as a federal judge.

The spirit and probably the letter of the "outside the government" clause is for the appointed special prosecutor to not be in an executive office, i.e. connected to the president's administration, FBI, DOJ, etc.

packofwolves said:

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Civ - a simple wiki search is all you needed to do.

" John Henry Durham (born March 16, 1950)[3][4][5] is an American lawyer who served as the United States Attorney for the District of Connecticut (D. Conn.) from 2018 to 2021. By April 2019, the Trump administration assigned him to investigate the origins of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, and in October 2020 he was appointed special counsel for the Department of Justice on that matter."

So yes a US Attorney. I don't know why some are claiming this latest appointment isn't eligible. Maybe more will come out on that.

To me the concern is Weiss attempted to hide immunity in the plea deal and the Judge called him out on it. I don't think he should be allowed to continue as the special counsel. Also he let the statute of limitations run out on charges.

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Yes I'm aware Durham was a prosecutor before becoming special counsel. That's why I posted it.

You posted a tweet that claimed Weiss' appointment is illegal because he wasn't "outside the government."

My whole point was Durham (and other special counsels) have come from the judicial branch. That's not unprecedented and apparently is not illegal if several such special counsels have been appointed before Weiss.

As to the statute of limitations running out, what's being referenced is alleged tax crimes from 2014 and 2015. But these allegations were known to the prosecution well within the window in which they could take action on them, were they not? Weiss started investigating Biden in 2017, not only after he was named special counsel.

So they either did or didn't take action on those particular charges by 2020 but if by 2020 it appeared they were charge-worthy, what was stopping Trump from appointing a SC?

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wasn't John Durham a federal prosecutor immediately prior to Bill Barr appointing him special counsel to dig into the FBI's RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA hot takes?

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Only after Devin Nunes and Kash Patel did all the work and blew the narrative to hell!!!

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I'm talking about the "outside the government" qualifier for special counsels.

If John Durham was eligible as a federal prosecutor, Weiss is eligible as a federal judge.

The spirit and probably the letter of the "outside the government" clause is for the appointed special prosecutor to not be in an executive office, i.e. connected to the president's administration, FBI, DOJ, etc.

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Civ, he is a special prosecutor; therefore, he reports to the AG. An independent prosecutor, is independent! I don't know what Durham was; however, this stops (essentially) all openness, from the Federal Government, with House committees looking into it.

My opinion here: this was done to put this issue, in the dark, as much as possible. That said, I hope I'm wrong!

I think it's being reported that they want to move the venue out of Delaware, where they met a judge (should have been a kind one) that was making it difficult…. Right now, this is not a clean action. Again, I hope I'm wrong! That said, with the amount of money, the Biden's have received, this is definitely going to be dirty as crap…

Just heard, Weiss was the US Attorney that approved the deal that was smacked down by the Judge. Also, he just placed the deal, in another district… (hearing this as I'm typing)

This does not look good…

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wasn't John Durham a federal prosecutor immediately prior to Bill Barr appointing him special counsel to dig into the FBI's RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA hot takes?

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Only after Devin Nunes and Kash Patel did all the work and blew the narrative to hell!!!

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I'm talking about the "outside the government" qualifier for special counsels.

If John Durham was eligible as a federal prosecutor, Weiss is eligible as a federal judge.

The spirit and probably the letter of the "outside the government" clause is for the appointed special prosecutor to not be in an executive office, i.e. connected to the president's administration, FBI, DOJ, etc.

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Civ, he is a special prosecutor; therefore, he reports to the AG. An independent prosecutor, is independent! I don't know what Durham was; however, this stops (essentially) all openness, from the Federal Government, with House committees looking into it.

My opinion here: this was done to put this issue, in the dark, as much as possible. That said, I hope I'm wrong!

I think it's being reported that they want to move the venue out of Delaware, where they met a judge (should have been a kind one) that was making it difficult…. Right now, this is not a clean action. Again, I hope I'm wrong! That said, with the amount of money, the Biden's have received, this is definitely going to be dirty as crap…

Just heard, Weiss was the US Attorney that approved the deal that was smacked down by the Judge. Also, he just placed the deal, in another district… (hearing this as I'm typing)

This does not look good…

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Special counsel, special prosecutor, and independent counsel/prosecutor are all used interchangeably. They're the same thing.

A couple of weeks ago on here y'all were clamoring for a special counsel. I said then that if pressure on the administration mounted, they may have no choice but to appoint one. Y'all swore that would never happen because the Biden crime family wouldn't allow it.

Now that they've appointed one y'all are *****ing about that.

Y'all need to make up your minds.

Seriously though we all have to trust in judicial oversight. Judges check defendants and their counsel. Judges check prosecutors. Judges check other judges. Some judges will be Pub appointees. Some will be Dem appointees. That stuff tends to come out in the wash but what you're left with is transparency and adults in the room making rules.

It happened with the bad Biden plea deal getting thrown out because it was apparently unprecedented and legally unsupported.

It happened in the Trump indictments with him running his fat mouth on Truth Social and the campaign trail in a way that could interfere with his trial (a decision that I'm sure will be appealed by Trump's team if possible and reviewed by another judge).

Judges ain't having that *****

Judges will keep these investigations and trials on the rails based on legal precedent and not the political rhetoric that dominates both sides.

Civ - I didn't post that tweet as fact. Several are making that claim and I shared one of them. And if you already knew, why post it as a question?

I think there are other valid reasons why he shouldn't be special counsel.

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wasn't John Durham a federal prosecutor immediately prior to Bill Barr appointing him special counsel to dig into the FBI's RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA hot takes?

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Only after Devin Nunes and Kash Patel did all the work and blew the narrative to hell!!!

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I'm talking about the "outside the government" qualifier for special counsels.

If John Durham was eligible as a federal prosecutor, Weiss is eligible as a federal judge.

The spirit and probably the letter of the "outside the government" clause is for the appointed special prosecutor to not be in an executive office, i.e. connected to the president's administration, FBI, DOJ, etc.

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Civ, he is a special prosecutor; therefore, he reports to the AG. An independent prosecutor, is independent! I don't know what Durham was; however, this stops (essentially) all openness, from the Federal Government, with House committees looking into it.

My opinion here: this was done to put this issue, in the dark, as much as possible. That said, I hope I'm wrong!

I think it's being reported that they want to move the venue out of Delaware, where they met a judge (should have been a kind one) that was making it difficult…. Right now, this is not a clean action. Again, I hope I'm wrong! That said, with the amount of money, the Biden's have received, this is definitely going to be dirty as crap…

Just heard, Weiss was the US Attorney that approved the deal that was smacked down by the Judge. Also, he just placed the deal, in another district… (hearing this as I'm typing)

This does not look good…

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Special counsel, special prosecutor, and independent counsel/prosecutor are all used interchangeably. They're the same thing.

A couple of weeks ago on here y'all were clamoring for a special counsel. I said then that if pressure on the administration mounted, they may have no choice but to appoint one. Y'all swore that would never happen because the Biden crime family wouldn't allow it.

Now that they've appointed one y'all are *****ing about that.

Y'all need to make up your minds.

Seriously though we all have to trust in judicial oversight. Judges check defendants and their counsel. Judges check prosecutors. Judges check other judges. Some judges will be Pub appointees. Some will be Dem appointees. That stuff tends to come out in the wash but what you're left with is transparency and adults in the room making rules.

It happened with the bad Biden plea deal getting thrown out because it was apparently unprecedented and legally unsupported.

It happened in the Trump indictments with him running his fat mouth on Truth Social and the campaign trail in a way that could interfere with his trial (a decision that I'm sure will be appealed by Trump's team if possible and reviewed by another judge).

Judges ain't having that *****

Judges will keep these investigations and trials on the rails based on legal precedent and not the political rhetoric that dominates both sides.

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You love taking a shot at Trump, in any situation, you can, don't you?

Civ, you can believe this is all clean, with a clear conscience, can you?

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packofwolves said:

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Civ - I didn't post that tweet as fact. Several are making that claim and I shared one of them. And if you already knew, why post it as a question?

I think there are other valid reasons why he shouldn't be special counsel.

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Lol anyone with half a brain knows this, zero chance you'll ever see any charges come from this and it essentially shuts down the ability of the house to do a thorough investigation.

I can't believe there are actually people that see this any other way.

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Two weeks ago y'all were on here saying there was zero chance a special counsel would be appointed so I think I'll just take a wait and see approach on any additional charges being filed.

caryking said:

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You love taking a shot at Trump, in any situation, you can, don't you?

Civ, you can believe this is all clean, with a clear conscience, can you?

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Unfortunately for all of us Cary our former and current President and their families are currently being investigated for a litany of potential crimes.

In that regard there are obvious similarities. There's no reason to shy away from drawing comparisons between the current Big Guy and the most recent one.

I believe it's all dirty, not clean. Obama was the only President since Carter to not have special counsel investigate some aspect of his Presidency. It's how the game gets played.

What I do have faith in is our judicial system to sort out the mess with relative objectivity and based on sound precedent. I'm supportive of the Hunter Biden plea deal getting throw out if in the judge's determination it was legally specious and I'm also confident that if any judge issues an unsound ruling that their ruling could eventually be subject to its own judicial review.

That's the great thing about our system. Presidents and politicians and their supporters and enablers can bloviate about whatever they want but if an issue turns serious at some point they're going to have to trot out real evidence to support or defend their case in front of a judge.

All that partisan rhetoric doesn't mean **** in court. Nobody cares.

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Civilized said:

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jkpackfan said:

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packofwolves said:

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Civ - I didn't post that tweet as fact. Several are making that claim and I shared one of them. And if you already knew, why post it as a question?

I think there are other valid reasons why he shouldn't be special counsel.

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Lol anyone with half a brain knows this, zero chance you'll ever see any charges come from this and it essentially shuts down the ability of the house to do a thorough investigation.

I can't believe there are actually people that see this any other way.

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Two weeks ago y'all were on here saying there was zero chance a special counsel would be appointed so I think I'll just take a wait and see approach on any additional charges being filed.

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I never once said that so…and this is a joke of a special counsel

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That must be some of Civ's partisan rhetoric…

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Ironically Weiss as you know is a Republican appointed by Trump and Trump tapped him to investigate Hunter Biden.

Just because Weiss may not get skull-drug around Congressional chambers in the next 30 days the way frothy Republicans want doesn't mean he or the investigation are going to escape scrutiny. He'll be subject to Congressional scrutiny either way; such scrutiny is a now or later proposition.

Weiss' new status as SC and the implosion of the plea deal are both bad news for the Biden family.

They virtually guarantee a drawn-out investigation, and that the President's son, at a minimum, will be embroiled in a major investigation in the middle of his Dad's Presidential campaign.

ETA: puking emoji not intentional

Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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jkpackfan said:

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Civilized said:

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jkpackfan said:

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packofwolves said:

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Civ - I didn't post that tweet as fact. Several are making that claim and I shared one of them. And if you already knew, why post it as a question?

I think there are other valid reasons why he shouldn't be special counsel.

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Lol anyone with half a brain knows this, zero chance you'll ever see any charges come from this and it essentially shuts down the ability of the house to do a thorough investigation.

I can't believe there are actually people that see this any other way.

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Two weeks ago y'all were on here saying there was zero chance a special counsel would be appointed so I think I'll just take a wait and see approach on any additional charges being filed.

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I never once said that so…and this is a joke of a special counsel

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That must be some of Civ's partisan rhetoric…

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Ironically Weiss as you know is a Republican appointed by Trump and Trump tapped him to investigate Hunter Biden.

Just because Weiss may not get skull-drug around Congressional chambers in the next 30 days the way frothy Republicans want doesn't mean he or the investigation are going to escape scrutiny. He'll be subject to Congressional scrutiny either way; such scrutiny is a now or later proposition.

Weiss' new status as SC and the implosion of the plea deal are both bad news for the Biden family.

They virtually guarantee a drawn-out investigation, and that the President's son, at a minimum, will be embroiled in a major investigation in the middle of his Dad's Presidential campaign.

ETA: puking emoji not intentional

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Let's get the facts straight…

Weiss was appointed in Delaware, with recommendation, by both Democratic Senators. Yes, Weiss is a registered Republican, according to reports; however, in todays world, that mean very little…

I think you find most Republicans, on this forum, find the party worthless. That said, they are less worthless than the Democrat. So, a Republican, can and will do something that blows the mind of what I consider to be a Republican…

In other words, they get classified as a RINO.

Please spare us on the party affiliation mess…. Most of the time, it means nothing!!

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jkpackfan said:

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Civilized said:

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packofwolves said:

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Civ - I didn't post that tweet as fact. Several are making that claim and I shared one of them. And if you already knew, why post it as a question?

I think there are other valid reasons why he shouldn't be special counsel.

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Lol anyone with half a brain knows this, zero chance you'll ever see any charges come from this and it essentially shuts down the ability of the house to do a thorough investigation.

I can't believe there are actually people that see this any other way.

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Two weeks ago y'all were on here saying there was zero chance a special counsel would be appointed so I think I'll just take a wait and see approach on any additional charges being filed.

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I never once said that so…and this is a joke of a special counsel

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That must be some of Civ's partisan rhetoric…

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Ironically Weiss as you know is a Republican appointed by Trump and Trump tapped him to investigate Hunter Biden.

Just because Weiss may not get skull-drug around Congressional chambers in the next 30 days the way frothy Republicans want doesn't mean he or the investigation are going to escape scrutiny. He'll be subject to Congressional scrutiny either way; such scrutiny is a now or later proposition.

Weiss' new status as SC and the implosion of the plea deal are both bad news for the Biden family.

They virtually guarantee a drawn-out investigation, and that the President's son, at a minimum, will be embroiled in a major investigation in the middle of his Dad's Presidential campaign.

ETA: puking emoji not intentional

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Let's get the facts straight…

Weiss was appointed in Delaware, with recommendation, by both Democratic Senators. Yes, Weiss is a registered Republican, according to reports; however, in todays world, that mean very little…

I think you find most Republicans, on this forum, find the party worthless. That said, they are less worthless than the Democrat. So, a Republican, can and will do something that blows the mind of what I consider to be a Republican…

In other words, they get classified as a RINO.

Please spare us on the party affiliation mess…. Most of the time, it means nothing!!

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If it means nothing, why do we spend so much time analyzing the appointments and party makeup of the Supreme Court?

It may not be completely determinative or predictive.

But of course it means something.

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packofwolves said:

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Civ - I didn't post that tweet as fact. Several are making that claim and I shared one of them. And if you already knew, why post it as a question?

I think there are other valid reasons why he shouldn't be special counsel.

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Lol anyone with half a brain knows this, zero chance you'll ever see any charges come from this and it essentially shuts down the ability of the house to do a thorough investigation.

I can't believe there are actually people that see this any other way.

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Two weeks ago y'all were on here saying there was zero chance a special counsel would be appointed so I think I'll just take a wait and see approach on any additional charges being filed.

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I never once said that so…and this is a joke of a special counsel

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That must be some of Civ's partisan rhetoric…

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Ironically Weiss as you know is a Republican appointed by Trump and Trump tapped him to investigate Hunter Biden.

Just because Weiss may not get skull-drug around Congressional chambers in the next 30 days the way frothy Republicans want doesn't mean he or the investigation are going to escape scrutiny. He'll be subject to Congressional scrutiny either way; such scrutiny is a now or later proposition.

Weiss' new status as SC and the implosion of the plea deal are both bad news for the Biden family.

They virtually guarantee a drawn-out investigation, and that the President's son, at a minimum, will be embroiled in a major investigation in the middle of his Dad's Presidential campaign.

ETA: puking emoji not intentional

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Let's get the facts straight…

Weiss was appointed in Delaware, with recommendation, by both Democratic Senators. Yes, Weiss is a registered Republican, according to reports; however, in todays world, that mean very little…

I think you find most Republicans, on this forum, find the party worthless. That said, they are less worthless than the Democrat. So, a Republican, can and will do something that blows the mind of what I consider to be a Republican…

In other words, they get classified as a RINO.

Please spare us on the party affiliation mess…. Most of the time, it means nothing!!

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If it means nothing, why do we spend so much time analyzing the appointments and party makeup of the Supreme Court?

It may not be completely determinative or predictive.

But of course it means something.

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Civ, these three appointees, by Trump (BTW, he's a Democrat, right?), were good most of the time, not all the time. The RINO's I'm talking about are typically elected. They have a tendency to say what most Republicans want to hear, on social issues. They keep them front me center, to win elections. Look around at my post, you will find a consistent theme… economy!

Even with Trump, he asked for a massive spending bill, to counteract, the Covid downturn. I was against it; however, I understand why he did that. Since Trump, we haven't needed any of the massive spending they've done. Furthermore, we moved the baseline, of the Federal Budget, so high, it's unmanageable. Look at some of the previous post, by Hokie. He has said (essentially), you can't balance the budget, without significant cuts and raising of taxes (I think). Well, he's right, on one part.. if your base line is todays spending, then, it want happen.

Prior to Covid, we can and should be able to reset the budget, to that level, then, we can start looking at cuts. The Republican Party signed up for giving this administration a blank check, to spend at free will, in the latest debt ceiling debate. Will that new spending set a new baseline to work from? That's up to the right people looking to cut the size of the Federal Government. It will not happen with Democrats and most Republicans.

In summary, Republicans suck almost as bad as Democrats. Please don't use a random Republican to make it sound like it's going to be ok, because it will NOT!!

An interesting report…

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/majority-of-ukrainians-blame-zelensky-for-government-corruption/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-skewered-claiming-witnessed-pittsburgh-bridge-collapse-another-day-another-lie

Another day, another lie...

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-skewered-claiming-witnessed-pittsburgh-bridge-collapse-another-day-another-lie

Another day, another lie...

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At this point all we can do is laugh at Joe.

On Kudlow today pic.twitter.com/tyzIU8CC1C

— Mary (@MADavis1949) August 17, 2023

erased........I was momentarily back in the matrix.

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— EndGameWW3 🇺🇸 (@EndGameWW3) August 19, 2023

JUST IN: President Biden jokes about how hot the ground is in Maui after a fire ripped through, killing hundreds.

“You guys catch the boots out here? That’s a hot ground, man,” he joked.

Despite media reports of roughly 100 deaths from the fires, locals estimate that at least… pic.twitter.com/mRlVuN9kns

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) August 21, 2023