A "threat to democracy"?????

Leftist tyrants openly work non-stop to deny freedom of speech for conservatives, and censor and silence them everywhere from on Big Tech social media to college campuses.

And the elephant in the room is that Democrats (with RINO collaborators) are blatantly rigging elections with massive amounts of election fraud - including, of course, the 2020 presidential election and many other Federal races in 2020.

But then they once again use the Saul Alinsky tactic of falsely accusing their opposition of what they are actually doing...and claim that the right are "enemies of democracy". That's rich.

Freedom of speech and honest elections are the pillars of having a democracy.

The truth is that the communist Left are the TRUE enemies of democracy. They don't want their opposition to even be able to speak freely, and be able to politically organize and share information...much less to be able to then vote and have their voice heard.

And the Left are now taking it a step further and now openly embracing Biden acting as a dictator (eg, on student loans). So stop it with the crocodile tears about this "threat to muh democracy". The communist Left are the threat to democracy. They want a dictatorship, where their ideological enemies cannot speak or have their vote counted.

We're at a point now where the Left and the Right cannot co-exist in the same nation. We need secession by States.

The communist Leftist freaks need to just separate from us, and have their own Sodom and Gomorrah hellhole that they can run into the ground, and enslave and rule over their idiotic dupe followers.

But leave the rest of us alone. Let us be. We will separate from you and can continue the legacy of the real America, with a First and Second Amendment, and one nation under God. You Leftists can have your one nation under Satan and his communist Stalinist minions.

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Truly mind blowing how one could ask what they would make you comply with. Lol. From a self proclaimed independent too.

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Obviously you don't know what he's referring to either.

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Obviously that doesn't stop yourself and some of the other folks who hate Trump from making insinuations on what he meant or was referring to.

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Thanks Steve, but my post literally had zero to do with Trump so not sure why you're bringing it up.

He was triggered by Biden's speech and thinks he may have to submit to or comply with something Biden or his administration are going to enact.

My question is, what is he thinking he is going to have to submit to?

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Are you a goalkeeper at one time? You're really good at deflecting? Yes, it does have a point. Your post said he didn't know what he was referring to with his claim of having to comply. Yourself and the media made many inferences with everything Trump said. Very relative!

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I've read this post of yours three times and literally have no idea what you're trying to say.

It's a simple question.

What are we going to have to submit to?

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It's the ever increasing federal overreach that is pushing more and more toward a central authority on literally everything. It's not going to happen tomorrow, but you can see the left pushing everything toward that.

Talk to anyone that has moved here from a communist country and they'll tell you that what's happening in this country is the beginning of what they fled from. It's not hard to figure out.

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So just more typical nebulous fear-mongering about government control.

Government overreach is a legit problem and the reason why I would consider voting for any reasonably compassionate conservative running against Biden.

But these claims regarding us falling into a communist dystopia, the threat of which justifies Civil War, are really no different than criticisms that the right makes regarding climate. It starts with a real problem (overreach) that then devolves into poorly supported worst-case-ism that evokes images of Mao, Castro, and Stalin.

An equal or more likely outcome is Western European governments that trend socialist and that happen to enjoy high standards of living despite having more government control than Americans want or need.

Sitting where I sit too, it's impossible not to pick up on the irony regarding threats of communism when the biggest and best deterrent from that outcome is maintaining free and fair elections. You know, the type that Trump has been railing against the last four years that crescendoed with Jan. 6, but are still going on.

The right's Stop the Steal derangement and presidents that refuse to ensure peaceful transitions of power are a more clear and present danger to our future freedom and security than very incremental increases in overreach that can often be corrected by putting a different President in office.

The left needs to clean up their own their ridiculous pandering to far left extremists and confront problems of over-spending, urban violence, etc. but the right has to own the cult of personality idiocy that's going on right now and put a clear-thinking President in office in 2024 that abides by Democratic norms and honors peaceful transitions of power and the current and future freedom and fairness of elections. It's crazy to even have to say that, but that's where we are.

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We're at a point now where the Left and the Right cannot co-exist in the same nation. We need secession by States.

The communist Leftist freaks need to just separate from us, and have their own Sodom and Gomorrah hellhole that they can run into the ground, and enslave and rule over their idiotic dupe followers.

But leave the rest of us alone. Let us be. We will separate from you and can continue the legacy of the real America, with a First and Second Amendment, and one nation under God. You Leftists can have your one nation under Satan and his communist Stalinist minions.

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I find this talking point illogical. People of different backgrounds interact every day without any issues. The main vitriol is on the internet.

Also, no state will secede. I dont think there is a single state that could be self sufficient and no one will be the first

Well at least you have finally owned up to your MARXIST'S beliefs.

I admire you for that.

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We're at a point now where the Left and the Right cannot co-exist in the same nation. We need secession by States.

The communist Leftist freaks need to just separate from us, and have their own Sodom and Gomorrah hellhole that they can run into the ground, and enslave and rule over their idiotic dupe followers.

But leave the rest of us alone. Let us be. We will separate from you and can continue the legacy of the real America, with a First and Second Amendment, and one nation under God. You Leftists can have your one nation under Satan and his communist Stalinist minions.

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I find this talking point illogical. People of different backgrounds interact every day without any issues. The main vitriol is on the internet.

Also, no state will secede. I dont think there is a single state that could be self sufficient and no one will be the first

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Merely "interacting" with Leftists who want to disarm me and force my children to go to drag queen story time is bad enough. 50% of Democrats (per polls) wanted to throw anti-vaxxers in detention camps and take away their children for not submitting and taking the magic injections. If they had no power to actually do those insane and draconian things, then yeah...it's not "so bad" to interact with these zombie morons.

The BIG problem comes when all these dupes actually elect these Leftist psychopaths into government, and they have power and rule over us. Can't you understand how that creates a massive problem?? It's not tolerable. And it's now gotten so much worse in just the last 4-5 years or so. These communist Leftists have gone off the deep end and descended into full authoritarian mode.

It is not acceptable to live in a situation when these voting imbeciles get to elect tyrants to then strip us of our rights and make our lives a living hell. Maybe you are ok with that.

Now Biden and these communist maniacs are about to label all of their political enemies "domestic terrorists". We are quickly approaching a point of no return. He has declared war against half of the country.

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Truly mind blowing how one could ask what they would make you comply with. Lol. From a self proclaimed independent too.

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Obviously you don't know what he's referring to either.

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Obviously that doesn't stop yourself and some of the other folks who hate Trump from making insinuations on what he meant or was referring to.

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Thanks Steve, but my post literally had zero to do with Trump so not sure why you're bringing it up.

He was triggered by Biden's speech and thinks he may have to submit to or comply with something Biden or his administration are going to enact.

My question is, what is he thinking he is going to have to submit to?

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Are you a goalkeeper at one time? You're really good at deflecting? Yes, it does have a point. Your post said he didn't know what he was referring to with his claim of having to comply. Yourself and the media made many inferences with everything Trump said. Very relative!

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I've read this post of yours three times and literally have no idea what you're trying to say.

It's a simple question.

What are we going to have to submit to?

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It's the ever increasing federal overreach that is pushing more and more toward a central authority on literally everything. It's not going to happen tomorrow, but you can see the left pushing everything toward that.

Talk to anyone that has moved here from a communist country and they'll tell you that what's happening in this country is the beginning of what they fled from. It's not hard to figure out.

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Wow, we've really jumped the shark today.

So when do you think the tanks are going to roll into downtown SLC and start kicking out all those Mormons?
Or breaking down your doors for daring to speak out against them? Maybe GP was finally right -- maybe the next injection will not reduce your chances of dying in a pandemic, but will be like the Russkies give to the dissidents and will be really harmful.

I did not watch the speech last night....TBH, I didn't know he was giving one. But sounds like he must have been horrible. I'll have to read the transcript.

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Truly mind blowing how one could ask what they would make you comply with. Lol. From a self proclaimed independent too.

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Obviously you don't know what he's referring to either.

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Obviously that doesn't stop yourself and some of the other folks who hate Trump from making insinuations on what he meant or was referring to.

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Thanks Steve, but my post literally had zero to do with Trump so not sure why you're bringing it up.

He was triggered by Biden's speech and thinks he may have to submit to or comply with something Biden or his administration are going to enact.

My question is, what is he thinking he is going to have to submit to?

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Are you a goalkeeper at one time? You're really good at deflecting? Yes, it does have a point. Your post said he didn't know what he was referring to with his claim of having to comply. Yourself and the media made many inferences with everything Trump said. Very relative!

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I've read this post of yours three times and literally have no idea what you're trying to say.

It's a simple question.

What are we going to have to submit to?

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It's the ever increasing federal overreach that is pushing more and more toward a central authority on literally everything. It's not going to happen tomorrow, but you can see the left pushing everything toward that.

Talk to anyone that has moved here from a communist country and they'll tell you that what's happening in this country is the beginning of what they fled from. It's not hard to figure out.

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So just more typical nebulous fear-mongering about government control.

Government overreach is a legit problem and the reason why I would consider voting for any reasonably compassionate conservative running against Biden.

But these claims regarding us falling into a communist dystopia, the threat of which justifies Civil War, are really no different than criticisms that the right makes regarding climate. It starts with a real problem (overreach) that then devolves into poorly supported worst-case-ism that evokes images of Mao, Castro, and Stalin.

An equal or more likely outcome is Western European governments that trend socialist and that happen to enjoy high standards of living despite having more government control than Americans want or need.

Sitting where I sit too, it's impossible not to pick up on the irony regarding threats of communism when the biggest and best deterrent from that outcome is maintaining free and fair elections. You know, the type that Trump has been railing against the last four years that crescendoed with Jan. 6, but are still going on.

The right's Stop the Steal derangement and presidents that refuse to ensure peaceful transitions of power are a more clear and present danger to our future freedom and security than very incremental increases in overreach that can often be corrected by putting a different President in office.

The left needs to clean up their own their ridiculous pandering to far left extremists and confront problems of over-spending, urban violence, etc. but the right has to own the cult of personality idiocy that's going on right now and put a clear-thinking President in office in 2024 that abides by Democratic norms and honors peaceful transitions of power and the current and future freedom and fairness of elections. It's crazy to even have to say that, but that's where we are.

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The big problem is that you refuse to recognize (or acknowledge) the blatantly obvious election fraud in the 2020 election (as well as recent previous elections). The evidence is absolutely overwhelming that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, and that there was incredible amounts of election fraud across the board. Now the question is do you choose to deny that because you are a Democrat/Leftist partisan, or because you simply have not seen the evidence which proves this?

The right's opposition to the stolen 2020 election is not a "threat to democracy". No. We are the ones that are actually defending democracy, and this nation that is a Republic, and not a democracy.

The communist Left and Democrats are the true "threat to democracy". They are the ones rigging elections, denying democracy and the voice of the people to be heard and form our government.

And Europe IS a communist dystopia. They have virtually no gun rights and almost no freedom of speech. You can be thrown in prison in many European nations for merely speaking out against homosexuality. Virtually all European nations (via their far Left socialist governments) forced their citizens to be vaxxed over the covid scamdemic. They live under hardcore tyranny.

This is not "fear mongering". This is not some fantasy of a coming tyranny. It's a tyranny that the communist Left has been steadily implementing worldwide for decades. It is a clear and present danger. And here in America, the communist Democrats are trying to do the same thing that their Marxist comrades have done in Europe -- disarm the population, deny freedom of speech and silence right-wing conservatives, etc.

The hypocrisy and projection and Alinskyite tactics of accusing their opposition of what they are actually doing never ends...

Of course, it is the communist Left who are the REAL "violent extremists", and who are actually using terrorism to achieve their political ends. Do you think we already forgot about what Antifa and BLM did just a few months and years ago, burning down buildings/cities and murdering many people and police officers, and even taking over sections of cities with "autonomous governments"??

The Left are the ones who use violence and terrorism. But they get a pass from the Marxist-stream Media and criminal Leftist/communist Federal and State government agencies to use violence and terrorism. Meanwhile, the peaceful January 6th protesters are wrongfully demonized as "violent" and railroaded on trumped up charges or sit in prison for over a year and a half awaiting trial.

https://instagr.am/p/CiApEXKvKnC

Judging from the background light, I thought he was giving the speech at the Bell Tower on Hillsborough with the red lights on.

https://sonar21.com/ukraines-western-backed-gamble-to-capture-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-backfires%ef%bf%bc/

Joe making an impression on the global stage too:

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/sinister-backdrop-bidens-hate-speech-matched-dystopian-aesthetic/video/769dee5900384e9110bcb5af2ae159b4

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Judging from the background light, I thought he was giving the speech at the Bell Tower on Hillsborough with the red lights on.

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I've seen the images, and they are bad. Very bad. Like, did no one on his staff plan out what that might look like. Heck with Bell Tower, it did look more Kremlin'ish.

Now...as for content, i'll hold off til i read the transcript, but the raised fists and backdrop made me think of Dwight's speech to the paper salesmen of NE-PA on The Office (though he didn't have the red backdrop)

I honestly do not think Biden remembers giving a speech last night.

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I honestly do not think Biden remembers giving a speech last night.

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Because he's such a good guy and has no ulterior motives and handlers.......sure thing.

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Truly mind blowing how one could ask what they would make you comply with. Lol. From a self proclaimed independent too.

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Obviously you don't know what he's referring to either.

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Obviously that doesn't stop yourself and some of the other folks who hate Trump from making insinuations on what he meant or was referring to.

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Thanks Steve, but my post literally had zero to do with Trump so not sure why you're bringing it up.

He was triggered by Biden's speech and thinks he may have to submit to or comply with something Biden or his administration are going to enact.

My question is, what is he thinking he is going to have to submit to?

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So you have no problem with that disgusting speech basically labeling a big portion of America as terrorists?? Can only imagine what you and your ilk would saying on here had that same speech come from Trump.

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LOL that same speech did come from Trump, over and over. The man was a walking, talking insult.

But you don't see me supporting Biden on here. I've said repeatedly on here that he sucks.

Nm

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Judging from the background light, I thought he was giving the speech at the Bell Tower on Hillsborough with the red lights on.

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I've seen the images, and they are bad. Very bad. Like, did no one on his staff plan out what that might look like. Heck with Bell Tower, it did look more Kremlin'ish.

Now...as for content, i'll hold off til i read the transcript, but the raised fists and backdrop made me think of Dwight's speech to the paper salesmen of NE-PA on The Office (though he didn't have the red backdrop)

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The imagery was bad.

His administration feels inexperienced, like they've got too many young high-energy staffers and big idea people, but not nearly enough savvy, experienced, boots on the ground operators.

The tone of the messaging was definitely different with this speech. Seems clear they see some fracturing in the right post-Dobbs and are attempting to drive the wedge deeper and widen the crack between MAGA pubs and the rest.

That strategy can work when economic times are good. But it's not likely to be effective when people are thinking "how am I going to get through the coming month"?

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Oldsouljer said:

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Judging from the background light, I thought he was giving the speech at the Bell Tower on Hillsborough with the red lights on.

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I've seen the images, and they are bad. Very bad. Like, did no one on his staff plan out what that might look like. Heck with Bell Tower, it did look more Kremlin'ish.

Now...as for content, i'll hold off til i read the transcript, but the raised fists and backdrop made me think of Dwight's speech to the paper salesmen of NE-PA on The Office (though he didn't have the red backdrop)

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The imagery was bad.

His administration feels inexperienced, like they've got too many young high-energy staffers and big idea people, but not nearly enough savvy, experienced, boots on the ground operators.

The tone of the messaging was definitely different with this speech. Seems clear they see some fracturing in the right post-Dobbs and are attempting to drive the wedge deeper and widen the crack between MAGA pubs and the rest.

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nope, they want the midterms to be a referendum on Trump and not Biden. The best thing that can be done is to ignore the bait

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Whether or not this strategy has the electoral impacts they intend has yet to be seen but they're likely correct that much of the portion of the right that have tethered themselves to Trump will be incapable of ignoring it.

I hope y'all realize that while Biden demonized "MAGA" Republicans and declared them a great danger to our form of government, the DNC has been simultaneously funding the most MAGA candidates in the Republican primaries. This is par for the course from the dishonest Democratic party: Create a boogie man to run against. I'm confused about the political party that is supposed to be so unfit to govern.