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There was always a 100% probability he was going to pardon Hunter. Any Dad would, given the chance, especially with a vengeance-driven administration set to take power.

So don't say you won't several months ago. Just demurr when asked.

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Several months ago Trump hadn't won the election and then appointed a bunch of goons to law enforcement positions who would certainly have continued hounding Hunter to keep the the MAGA crowd frothing.

And of course if he had demurred when asked it would have turned into a weeklong headline distracting the campaign, given how desperate the media always is to find Dem scandals to balance out Trump's lunacy. There's no way to win this lopsided game.

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Yeah he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

This is one though where I'd rather take the lump up front.

"Never again do I want to hear" is such sham logic when applied to Trump's constant lying, compared to other Presidents.

This Hunter pardon is one lie Biden told. It was definitely, absolutely a lie. It still doesn't compare to the thousands of lies told over the last decade by Trump.

If you ask anyone from either side of the aisle to rank-order the number of lies told by various Presidents and they answered honestly, Trump would reign supreme and it's not even close.

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Civilized said:

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There was always a 100% probability he was going to pardon Hunter. Any Dad would, given the chance, especially with a vengeance-driven administration set to take power.

So don't say you won't several months ago. Just demurr when asked.

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Several months ago Trump hadn't won the election and then appointed a bunch of goons to law enforcement positions who would certainly have continued hounding Hunter to keep the the MAGA crowd frothing.

And of course if he had demurred when asked it would have turned into a weeklong headline distracting the campaign, given how desperate the media always is to find Dem scandals to balance out Trump's lunacy. There's no way to win this lopsided game.

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Yeah he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

This is one though where I'd rather take the lump up front.

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I'm just struggling to understand why Dems are still expected to uphold the norms of our government at all costs when nobody gives a fu** about norms except for Dems.

Joe Rogan had Marc Andreesen on last week. Just finished it this morning. He has voted Democrat most of his life. Amongst a lot of other things, he explains the corruption in the Biden administration and what led to him voting for Trump. Good listen for the mentally sound.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/id360084272?i=1000678315261

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For me this boils down to do you want retribution or do you want governance? Trump was elected to govern, but his base wants retribution. That's going to be an issue for the next 4 years and beyond. There are too many things that are going to need real solutions in the next four years. I could care less about getting revenge for God know what. I'm still confused about what that is supposed to look like other than Stalinesque show trials.

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I don't want any retribution... time to move forward again as far as I am concerned in that regard. What I do want however, is corrections in place to make sure that our Law Enforcement Agencies, Intelligence Agencies and Department of Justice are not permitted to be weaponized to assist in the goals of one political party over another.

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I agree I just don't see that happening under this administration. The word "mandate" has been thrown around too much. There is not such thing as a mandate in this election.

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If we have corruption in our Federal Government, that includes media, prosecute the hell out of them!!! You can call it retribution if you want. I call it cleaning out the system!

SCREW'EM ALL!!!

Crazy how different it is now....

In 2018, Adam Schiff introduced a bill to keep Trump from abusing pardon powers for his family:

“If the President grants a pardon in a case involving himself or his family, the American people must understand whether it serves as an effort to obstruct justice. This bill would… pic.twitter.com/u00C23ZZbM

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) December 2, 2024

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"Never again do I want to hear" is such sham logic when applied to Trump's constant lying, compared to other Presidents.

This Hunter pardon is one lie Biden told. It was definitely, absolutely a lie. It still doesn't compare to the thousands of lies told over the last decade by Trump.

If you ask anyone from either side of the aisle to rank-order the number of lies told by various Presidents and they answered honestly, Trump would reign supreme and it's not even close.

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Elections have consequences, right?

"If you want just 100 percent and the notion is that the winner really does take allall the spoilssooner or later that government is going to break down." President Obama to New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, August 8, 2014.

"Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won." President Obama to House Republican Whip Eric Cantor, January 23, 2009.

Please go screw yourself!!!

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I have no idea how what you wrote relates to what I said, Cary.

I also have no idea why you're telling me to go screw myself when what I said was completely mundane and fairly obvious, and when I don't ever attack people personally on this board.

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"Never again do I want to hear" is such sham logic when applied to Trump's constant lying, compared to other Presidents.

This Hunter pardon is one lie Biden told. It was definitely, absolutely a lie. It still doesn't compare to the thousands of lies told over the last decade by Trump.

If you ask anyone from either side of the aisle to rank-order the number of lies told by various Presidents and they answered honestly, Trump would reign supreme and it's not even close.

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For a claim like that, you should present us with a detailed bullet list of these alleged Trump tales.

Too funny, CNN made this guy watch his own past statement that Biden would never pardon Hunter Biden. His facial expression says it all. Anyone else think he looks like Edward Rooney from "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"?

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caryking said:

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"Never again do I want to hear" is such sham logic when applied to Trump's constant lying, compared to other Presidents.

This Hunter pardon is one lie Biden told. It was definitely, absolutely a lie. It still doesn't compare to the thousands of lies told over the last decade by Trump.

If you ask anyone from either side of the aisle to rank-order the number of lies told by various Presidents and they answered honestly, Trump would reign supreme and it's not even close.

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Elections have consequences, right?

"If you want just 100 percent and the notion is that the winner really does take allall the spoilssooner or later that government is going to break down." President Obama to New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, August 8, 2014.

"Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won." President Obama to House Republican Whip Eric Cantor, January 23, 2009.

Please go screw yourself!!!

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I have no idea how what you wrote relates to what I said, Cary.

I also have no idea why you're telling me to go screw myself when what I said was completely mundane and fairly obvious, and when I don't ever attack people personally on this board.

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You're right…. Responded to the wrong post, I guess. BTW, your comments are far from mundane.

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BREAKING: Scott Jennings just took a blowtorch to Democrats over Joe Biden's pardon of Hunter Biden.

"NEVER AGAIN do I want to hear 'Trump's a liar, you can't believe anything he says. Trump will abuse his power. Trump will only use the system to benefit himself, his family.'… pic.twitter.com/AvFPUVBgNo

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) December 2, 2024

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Ouch

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Selling out country for family profit. The Biden way.

And these morons defend it. Appalling.

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Markets

Donald Trump Jr. joins PSQ Holdings' board, sending shares skyrocketing 170%

Why would that stock go up so much? Is Donald Jr. that smart?? Wow.

Joe Biden today announced he’s giving $1 BILLION to help with natural disasters in Africa

Meanwhile:

➡️ People in East Palestine, Ohio have received almost ZERO assistance after the government nuked them

➡️ Victims of the Lahaina, Maui fire are being forced off the island

➡️… pic.twitter.com/OR5GtshOzg

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) December 3, 2024

Trump lays out the case against the Manchurian candidate, Joe Biden, and his crime family. Let's call this Trump's unofficial declass...........the official one is coming, I promise.

Trumps Plan for the Biden Crime Family — He will Assign a Special Prosecutor and “they will Pay a Substantial Price” if Found Guilty — Our President is being Blackmailed

“It is now 100% proven that the Biden crime family received more than $20 million from foreign countries… pic.twitter.com/5VysWBQNIu

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) December 3, 2024

Looks like Gobbler and Sieve will have an opportunity to serve on the front lines…and protect the Ukraine democracy! #AzovBattalion will serve alongside Gobbler and Sieve's detachment. Gobbler wants to lead sabotage missions so he will need to be special operations!

Now is your chance fellas! Bet you both turn chicken*****

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/analysis-us-russia/2024/12/04/id/1190333/

Yep, the gun charge and whatever the other charge was, not a huge deal.

The other stuff, Burisma, CCP, etc.......now we're talk'n.

If you go back and research the topic of Presidential pardons from the time period of Trump’s first term, there is a bunch of leftist research explaining why Biden’s apparent blanket pardon of Hunter shouldn’t and wouldn’t cover any of their Burisma quid pro quo shenanigans. https://t.co/ILwkKNVvbe pic.twitter.com/WO9jsSK0Vm

— Jon Herold (@patel_patriot) December 2, 2024

#Sieve, it ain't so, it just can't be.

Chuck Todd suddenly grows a conscience and gets angry at Joe and Jill Biden for selfishly running for President while Hunter was busy turning Beau's widow, Hallie, into a crack addict:

"You want to get angry ... you read the Hallie Biden transcript, that's Beau's widow.… pic.twitter.com/z7DtNXzqlY

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) December 3, 2024

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Yep, the gun charge and whatever the other charge was, not a huge deal.

The other stuff, Burisma, CCP, etc.......now we're talk'n.

If you go back and research the topic of Presidential pardons from the time period of Trump’s first term, there is a bunch of leftist research explaining why Biden’s apparent blanket pardon of Hunter shouldn’t and wouldn’t cover any of their Burisma quid pro quo shenanigans. https://t.co/ILwkKNVvbe pic.twitter.com/WO9jsSK0Vm

— Jon Herold (@patel_patriot) December 2, 2024

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You better stock up on dry diapers, because with any luck Biden is going to issue blanket pardons for Dr Fauci, Liz Cheney, Adam Schiff, and everyone else on Kash Patel's hit list.

#Sieve, it just can't be true, it can't be. It's a LIE, right?

11-yrs Sieve, 11. Not even one specific crime, there were numerous.

Even Jon Stewart admits that Hunter's pardon stretching back 11 years is quite fishy:
Jon Stewart: "Faith in the rule of law: Finally, Democrats have a moral perch for which they can judge without shame hypocrisy or nuance."
Jessica Dean: "Breaking news, President Biden has… pic.twitter.com/NHwKEL7dLr

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) December 3, 2024

but, but, but.....
Sieve, remember 18-24 months ago, the term #boomerang? Stay tuned my friend.

Stephen A Smith calls out 'weak, pathetic explanation' from Biden's 'hypocritical' pardoning of his son.

Not sure when it happened, but the man seems to be becoming more knowledgeable about politics than sports. pic.twitter.com/P2WHQXL0ck

— David Loeb (@david_loeb) December 3, 2024

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Yep, the gun charge and whatever the other charge was, not a huge deal.

The other stuff, Burisma, CCP, etc.......now we're talk'n.

If you go back and research the topic of Presidential pardons from the time period of Trump’s first term, there is a bunch of leftist research explaining why Biden’s apparent blanket pardon of Hunter shouldn’t and wouldn’t cover any of their Burisma quid pro quo shenanigans. https://t.co/ILwkKNVvbe pic.twitter.com/WO9jsSK0Vm

— Jon Herold (@patel_patriot) December 2, 2024

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You better stock up on dry diapers, because with any luck Biden is going to issue blanket pardons for Dr Fauci, Liz Cheney, Adam Schiff, and everyone else on Kash Patel's hit list.

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I doubt Treason & Sedition can be pardoned.
How about crimes against humanity?

Tucker and Elon Musk EXPOSED LinkedIn honcho Reid Hoffman. Yes, Elon would know that Reid should be worried about the Epstein list, given they used to work together at Paypal.

Headline from the Econotimes: "Now Reid is fleeing America"

He's not leaving because he fears unfair… pic.twitter.com/ZzwZwy18lH

— Doug In Exile (@douginexile) November 28, 2024

An absolute terrible idea

News: Top Biden aides are conducting a vigorous internal debate over whether to issue preemptive pardons, an extraordinary step to inoculate potential Trump targets from prosecution.

At issue: whether to err on side of protecting figures like Fauci, Schiff and Cheney in case…

— Jonathan Martin (@jmart) December 4, 2024

hokiewolf said:

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An absolute terrible idea

News: Top Biden aides are conducting a vigorous internal debate over whether to issue preemptive pardons, an extraordinary step to inoculate potential Trump targets from prosecution.

At issue: whether to err on side of protecting figures like Fauci, Schiff and Cheney in case…

— Jonathan Martin (@jmart) December 4, 2024

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If by "terrible" you mean "awesome" I totally agree!

Fu** these a**holes. Maybe the NY Times could spare a moment to bawl about the impending corruption of the Justice Department instead?

Remember the whole debate we just had on presidential immunity?! We were told how dangerous any immunity would be! Even SCOTUS limited immunity to core official acts. So now Biden team doing blanket immunityofficial and unofficial actsfor themselves? Sets a dangerous precedent…

#Sieve, remember I've shared the term #devolution with you numerous times. Here's a single example, bud.

"The city of Chicago is out of the business of funding illegals."

Fed-up Chicago residents went scorched-earth on Mayor Brandon Johnson during a city council meeting after the city spent more than half a billion dollars sheltering illegal immigrants. pic.twitter.com/FFTxfn8uqu

— Fox News (@FoxNews) December 3, 2024

#Sieve, #Devolution, my friend, #devolution, ;-)

Chicago residents demand Trump make an example out of their corrupt mayor and "Sanctuary City" pic.twitter.com/d9XVHvbKEe

— TaraBull (@TaraBull808) December 4, 2024

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Remember the whole debate we just had on presidential immunity?! We were told how dangerous any immunity would be! Even SCOTUS limited immunity to core official acts. So now Biden team doing blanket immunityofficial and unofficial actsfor themselves? Sets a dangerous precedent…

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I'm beginning to think it's a step in the right direction. Clearly Dems don't get any credit whatsoever for being the only ones who care about norms and precedent. They just seem to be enabling a downward slide by the other party while they try to hold things together.

Maybe the only way out of this mess is to beat them at their own game until they sue for peace. Let's make caring about norms the Republicans' job for a while.

"Council on Foreign Relations", the operational arm of the global cabal, essentially our 'shadow govt'.

The Biden regime STILL have not answered for Hunter’s pardon, and zero Democrats have addressed why the pardon begins in 2014.

They started WW3 to launder our tax dollars through Ukraine, and they have no intention of being held accountable for it.

We are witnessing treason. pic.twitter.com/P0dbrlIsmU

— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) December 4, 2024

hokiewolf said:

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Remember the whole debate we just had on presidential immunity?! We were told how dangerous any immunity would be! Even SCOTUS limited immunity to core official acts. So now Biden team doing blanket immunityofficial and unofficial actsfor themselves? Sets a dangerous precedent…

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Yes, that's for sure.

hokiewolf said:

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Remember the whole debate we just had on presidential immunity?! We were told how dangerous any immunity would be! Even SCOTUS limited immunity to core official acts. So now Biden team doing blanket immunityofficial and unofficial actsfor themselves? Sets a dangerous precedent…

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Anyway, the fundamental problem is that this is a bunch of gaslighting bullsh**. There is no equivalence, no hypocrisy, no "dangerous precedent".

Trump literally spent his entire campaign insisting that he would use the Justice Department to get revenge on those who crossed him... which of course IS the dangerous precedent, blowing 90 miles past any sane norm in our country's history. After winning the election he then nominates a guy to head the DoJ who has laid out the MAGA hit list he intends to "go after", including haranguing Hunter Biden as much as possible.

Unless you're a mouth breather who actually believes that Dr. Fauci tried to kill everyone with his Illuminati vaccine, or that January 6th was a peaceful stroll through the Capitol and Liz Cheney should be jailed for investigating it, everyone knows there is zero merit to going after any of these guys and none of them will be tried for anything. All it will do is make their lives miserable for the next 4 years while they're "investigated"... which is Trump's entire goal. Retribution, and a warning to anyone else who crosses him.

So if Biden can put a stop to that then hell yeah he should. Fu** them. An no, there's no equivalence between a rogue Supreme Court deciding to give Trump blanket immunity to make all of his impending convictions go away (and allow him to do god knows what this time) and Biden deciding to use the pardon to defend people from Trump's perversion of the Justice Department.