GuerrillaPack said:
NCSUWarrior said:
GuerrillaPack said:
NCSUWarrior said:
GuerrillaPack said:
What I'm saying is not "crazy". Any person who considers themselves a Christian or believes the Bible should agree that the perfect form of government would be being ruled by the perfect Law of God. What kind of government will people live under when the Messiah returns to earth? A theocracy.
As discussed in the sermon I posted, this is relevant to the condition of our current government in America (as well as worldwide). We are living under tyranny because we have rejected God (as the Israelites did), and thought that it would be "better" to be ruled by men and all the rules that mankind can come up with.
The Founding Fathers of the United States founded the nation, in part, upon the principles of God. As stated in the Declaration of Independence, the basis for founding the nation was that our "Creator" had endowed us with rights, and those rights were being violated. But the Constitution is not a perfect system -- because it is not completely based in the law/principles of God. Its flaw is allowing man to make "law", which supersedes the perfect laws of God. Then, as has taken place all over the world throughout history, what eventually occurs is that evil men with ambition eventually seize control of government and use it to exploit and oppress the people.
The Bill of Rights is an attempt to restrain the government and prevent it from violating our God-given rights. But that has clearly failed. In addition, other key aspects of the U.S. government were not founded, from the beginning, upon laws of God -- such as not establishing a prohibition against usury.
The entire system of democracy and rule of a majority is what is truly crazy. There is no security or stability, because you are constantly worried that a government will be voted into power which will take away our rights, and further oppress the people. What is needed are ABSOLUTE standards of morality and law, which no man can change. That can only come from a "Higher Power" than man.
Your theories seem to assume all people in the United States (or the world for that matter) are Christian. Of course the reality is quite the opposite.
How do reconcile these differences of religion in the United States with a central christian theocratic government?
Also, the theocratic model does somewhat exist, albeit under Islam, in Iran. Do you believe their form of government is superior to the United States?
I'll hang up and listen.
Of course I recognize that all people in the United States and the world are not Christian. But I am specifically talking about the United States of America, which was founded by men (predominantly) who believed in the God of the Bible and based the founding of the nation upon the principle of protecting their God-given rights.
An islamic theocracy is not superior to the current government of the United States, because the god of Islam is actually Satan. And I mean that literally. "Allah" is another name for Satan. Mohammed received his revelation from demons, and those who follow him are unknowingly following Satan. Living in an islamic theocracy/society is living under Satanic tyranny.
Given that the United States is populated by peoples of vastly different and irreconcilable religious and cultural beliefs, I think the best course of action is to split the nation into several different nations. One of those nations would be the theocracy I'm talking about with the Bible as the basis for its law.
One of the other nations could be the multicultural, socialist state that the United States currently is. That nation can then devolve into a Cuba/Venezuela-style communist hellhole. Then you could have an islamic caliphate for the islamic peoples currently living inside the United States. And potentially other nations for different ethnic and religious groups.
Hypothetical here. I want to know your thoughts on how this new theocratic nation will be formed and governed.
Let's say I'm a Hindu who previously purchased land and a home in the geographic footprint of the "new" theocratic nation, let's call it the United States of Christians (USC). The land and home was under the law of the United States of America when I purchased, but now power has transferred, peacefully I'm assuming. Due to this upheaval in government, I no longer want to live in the USC. Will the USC government purchase my land at market value? Pay for my relocation? Purchase of my business? Stocks? Mining rights? The list goes on. Where does that money come from?
What is the most likely way the USC is formed? Peacefully? War? What geographic region of the country?
Another question
Would the USC conduct commerce with U.S.? Any other non-Christian non-theocratic governments? Sign treaties with any other non-theocratic nations? Would the USC's beliefs allow for economic transactions around the globe?
Another question
How does USC handle commerce laws....like net neutrality. How does the USC deal with the regulation of energy? Environment? Health Care? Transportation?
Another question
Let's say I'm a Catholic. Am I accepted in the USC?
These are "logistical" questions, going into great detail. I haven't sat down and planned this all out on a logistical level to that level of detail. And we don't have to. I'm just talking about the core concepts.
Are you suggesting that these logistical questions would prevent such a secession from being possible? If so, that's not the case at all. These same sort of logistical questions could have been asked before the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Such as, "would someone loyal to Great Britain be forced to move from the USA, and will they be compensated for their land?".
These sort of logistics could be very easily worked out, if any secession or splitting up of the nation were to occur.
I would greatly prefer that these new nations could be formed peacefully. If I were Donald Trump right now, I would facilitate this taking place. As a start, I would encourage the ongoing movement in California to secede. If socialists and leftists want to leave the U.S. to form their their little communist "utopia", I say great. I wish it could be done immediately. I would not fight them, and there would be no need for war. I would help them to secede as quickly as possible.
I'm pretty bored today and this "Brickyard 2.0" needs some entertainment.
First and foremost, you are proposing treasonous behavior to the United States. It's no different than South Carolina succeeding from the U.S. in 1860. The reasons are different (taxation issues in the cloak of religion), but the outcome would be the same.
There is some history, I believe, you may be misinterpreting in regards to the American colonists. A significant portion of them left to escape religious persecution from the English Church, a theocracy similar to which you propose (before you go there......it was probably already infiltrated by Satan and taxation). Their worship of Jesus did not align with the English Church, so they left. When those same people had a chance to develop their own government, their forefather's persecution was still fresh in their minds. Hence, they made the 1st amendment to read as follows:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
Pure genius. It took thousands of years for somebody to put that on paper and actually mean it.
The "logistic" questions? Well, I wanted to see just how much thought you really put into this. It doesn't appear too much. I was hoping you would make the leap of judgement on how the 10 commandments can somehow provide guidance on something like energy or environmental regulation. You didn't take the bait, so we move on.
So in summary, I completely disagree with your proposal. A theocracy is not the best form of government. History has taught us again and again and again. Contrary to what I suspect you believe, there is not a ground swell of people in this country who want a government you propose. People rights to freedom in this country are stronger than they ever have been, including yours. The fear mongering that you and your ilk spread are dangerous and self serving. Muslims and minorities are not going to take away your freedoms. The United States government is not going to take away your bible, or your gun, or your right to make a living, or your property.
Your theocracy may have lower taxes, but you'll still pay the hidden "Tithe" tax. The man always gets his, be it in the form of a god, a president, or a king. Something tells me, you are not going to be the man. So any form of government will affect you negatively. If history is correct (and it usually is) there will be significant bloodshed to achieve this new country. Tons of cost there....but hey cheap taxes....lost my son and brother.
My advice, would be to take the energy you expended to compose and echo-chamber this idea and place that energy in a manner which provides productive activity for your family, your community, your church, and your country, the United States of America.
Also, you never answered my question...logistics I guess. Do Catholics get in? What about Jews? Do the Jews need to forcibly moved to Jerusalem instead, to be reformed into Christians around rapture time? Dispensational pre-millennialism I believe it is called.
Anyways, I would love to hear your thoughts.