Ted Cruz: "Your current employer has labeled three members of this committee, myself, Senator Hawley and Senator Blackburn as white supremacists. Do you agree with that?"

Circuit judge nominee Abudu: "I have never referred to you our any member of this committee in that way." pic.twitter.com/CedpEiYYrG

— The Hill (@thehill) April 27, 2022

Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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I would speculate that there will be an attempt to pack the court ..........adding justices for a new majority.

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This is the sort of thing, which should it manifest, will ratchet up the pressure for secession or national breakup.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Am I wrong in that, even if it was overturned, wouldn't the states still have the right to make their own rules and allow it if they so choose?

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hokiewolf said:

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I love this thread only for the fact that you guys are trying to out apocalypse each other.

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Am I wrong in that, even if it was overturned, wouldn't the states still have the right to make their own rules and allow it if they so choose?

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Correct. Overturning Roe vs Wade doesnt outlaw abortions, it passes the buck back to the States. Also, please note, there hasnt even been an official opinion rendered yet. Its possible this large freakout could be for nothing whatsoever.

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I love this thread only for the fact that you guys are trying to out apocalypse each other.

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Don't include me in that grouping, I'm just talking about an amicable separation.

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hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I love this thread only for the fact that you guys are trying to out apocalypse each other.

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Don't include me in that grouping, I'm just talking about an amicable separation.

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no, you are not one of the four horsemen

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I love this thread only for the fact that you guys are trying to out apocalypse each other.

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Don't include me in that grouping, I'm just talking about an amicable separation.

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no, you are not one of the four horsemen

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Hokie, as a four horseman (I think), we definitely have a massive divide in this country. If that ultimately leads to a civil war, then it is what it is.

I think you should consider this: conservatives have been consistent regarding abortion; however, radicals (yes, I think that's who they are) have moved the goal post. Initially, they wanted access to abortion, now, they want unfettered access to abortion, at any time in the pregnancy, including immediately at time of birth.

Regarding, the potential ruling, by the Supreme Court…. If anyone believes in our founding and it's original documents, including the Constitution, if this comes out out similar to what's in the draft, then it's 100% constitutionally based. We have numerate powers in the constitution and we have this thing called the tenth amendment. Unfortunately for some, this ruling will be proper!

Now, if that leads to a civil war, then so be it…. It may be needed, again!

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Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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I would speculate that there will be an attempt to pack the court ..........adding justices for a new majority.

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This is the sort of thing, which should it manifest, will ratchet up the pressure for secession or national breakup.

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The day after Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, Democratic donors poured more than $30 million into Democratic campaigns and groups through ActBlue.

In the 23 hours after the draft SCOTUS opinion, ActBlue took in just $9 million. https://t.co/JE74tZHZ30

— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) May 4, 2022

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I love this thread only for the fact that you guys are trying to out apocalypse each other.

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Don't include me in that grouping, I'm just talking about an amicable separation.

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no, you are not one of the four horsemen

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Hokie, as a four horseman (I think), we definitely have a massive divide in this country. If that ultimately leads to a civil war, then it is what it is.

I think you should consider this: conservatives have been consistent regarding abortion; however, radicals (yes, I think that's who they are) have moved the goal post. Initially, they wanted access to abortion, now, they want unfettered access to abortion, at any time in the pregnancy, including immediately at time of birth.

Regarding, the potential ruling, by the Supreme Court…. If anyone believes in our founding and it's original documents, including the Constitution, if this comes out out similar to what's in the draft, then it's 100% constitutionally based. We have numerate powers in the constitution and we have this thing called the tenth amendment. Unfortunately for some, this ruling will be proper!

Now, if that leads to a civil war, then so be it…. It may be needed, again!

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oh I agree with your points 100% except the civil war thing. That's a too much.

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Werewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Werewolf said:

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I would speculate that there will be an attempt to pack the court ..........adding justices for a new majority.

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This is the sort of thing, which should it manifest, will ratchet up the pressure for secession or national breakup.

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The great American patriot Benjamin Franklin was asked, upon his emergence from the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, what form of government the United States was going to have. Franklin answered succinctly, "A Republic, if you can keep it."

Franklin knew that keeping the new nation a republic would be difficult, because he understood the enemies it faced, and the horrors those enemies were willing to unleash to stop the United States from succeeding in the mission upon which it had embarked. Our enemies, the oligarchical families of the Anglo-Dutch Liberal system, responded as Franklin knew they would, but, despite everything they threw at us, we survived, and thrived, becoming the most productive nation the world had ever known. In our darkest moments, great leaders emerged to rally the population and lead the nation forward: George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and others, such as Alexander Hamilton, who designed the credit system which lay at the heart of our success.

https://larouchepub.com/other/2009/3607franklin_right.html

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Outside of the obvious issue here of a leak from the Supreme Court the largest issue here is that people are incapable of any critical thinking at all. In this case all the court decision does is remove the federal government from the equation and make abortion a state level issue, which it should of always been.

Folks are all stirred up but for the most part nothing is going to really change outside a few states in terms of getting an abortion if you want one. If your state doesn't offer the option for an abortion anymore then California will pay for you to fly out there and get one free of charge (Newsome talked about allocating money in the CA budget for this yesterday). Conversely you could always elect state representatives that will codify the right to an abortion in your state for you.

The other issue here is that politicians, and by extension the media push that its an all or nothing thing and that just isn't true. You'll still be able to get an abortion up to a certain point in your pregnancy if you choose, which is as it should be. You shouldn't be able to go an after-birth abortion (something that elected officials in CA, VA, and IL have all said that they support).

I think realistically if you asked people most would be ok with an abortion in the first trimester, less than half would be ok with an abortion in the second, and then almost no one except your extremists would support a third trimester (or after birth) abortion.

As far as all the fun political stuff for the purposes of this post I identify as a woman (even though i'm not a biologist), so my opinion matters on this subject.

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cowboypack02 said:

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Outside of the obvious issue here of a leak from the Supreme Court the largest issue here is that people are incapable of any critical thinking at all. In this case all the court decision does is remove the federal government from the equation and make abortion a state level issue, which it should of always been.

Folks are all stirred up but for the most part nothing is going to really change outside a few states in terms of getting an abortion if you want one. If your state doesn't offer the option for an abortion anymore then California will pay for you to fly out there and get one free of charge (Newsome talked about allocating money in the CA budget for this yesterday). Conversely you could always elect state representatives that will codify the right to an abortion in your state for you.

The other issue here is that politicians, and by extension the media push that its an all or nothing thing and that just isn't true. You'll still be able to get an abortion up to a certain point in your pregnancy if you choose, which is as it should be. You shouldn't be able to go an after-birth abortion (something that elected officials in CA, VA, and IL have all said that they support).

I think realistically if you asked people most would be ok with an abortion in the first trimester, less than half would be ok with an abortion in the second, and then almost no one except your extremists would support a third trimester (or after birth) abortion.

As far as all the fun political stuff for the purposes of this post I identify as a woman (even though i'm not a biologist), so my opinion matters on this subject.

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