If i could only be so unsuccessful...
Its not just Trump....Its pretty obvious that the Big Tech is out to cover for democrats in general and go after republicans.Civilized said:SupplyChainPack said:cowboypack02 said:Nope....you don't get to play that after the willingness of Twitter and Facebook to allow things that hurt Trump to run freely for the last three years.PackBacker07 said:
Twitter is committed to stopping misinformation. Especially an obvious Rudy Guliani attempt to throw chaos into an election less than a month out. If you don't like it, leave twitter.
Can't deny the above, so deflect to BuT BiDeN!1! It's so easy.
This includes stories on his taxes that were illegally leaked, the Atlantic story a month or so ago that was disproven, anything that Adam Schiff said about having proof that Trump and his family broke the law, the dossier that was proven unverified, the russia collusion hoax that we have found out came from the Clinton campaign. All of these were allowed to run for years with no proof, and no one had any complaints about it.
The only thing that Twitter and really any of the social media companies are committed to doing what they can to influence the election in a way that benefits their beliefs....
Since these companies have moved into actually editing the stories that are on their platforms and pushing an agenda its time for them to lose their section 230 protections and be treated as such
Agreed. They have forfeited that.
I'm so ready for the next Republican president so that Democrats will either have to admit that Big Tech/the MSM is just in the bag for liberals no matter the merits of the candidate, or Republicans will have to acknowledge that Big Tech/the MSM treated Trump differently with justification because Trump is a free press-attacking, authoritarian, norm-breaking asshat.
I need one of those two things to happen, though; I'm so tired of Republicans acting like Trump is some normal guy in office that the MSM is out to skewer just because he's a Republican, and of Democrats seizing on every little thing he does wrong because they hate the guy.
So Pubs, please do us all a favor find a legitimate politician to represent your party next time around and not a trashy impulsive child masquerading as a successful businessman and subversive politician. Let's see if Nicki Haley gets treated this way, for instance.
I'm gonna give you some quotes from out last president...who i didn't hear anyone criticize and not reaching across the aisle and a consensus builder:Civilized said:packgrad said:
He is 100% a legitimate politician. Because you don't like him does not make him illegitimate. I would love to see what you consider a "successful businessman" is if you do not consider Trump to be a successful businessman. Hell, throughout the world, he was considered one until he ran for President as a Republican.
Why you need to kick the can down the road to see if Big Tech/MSM is in the bag for liberals is very head in the sand. Just go to ANY MSM website and look at the coverage of the 2 different town halls and tell me how they are covered. Hell, watch Trump's town hall and compare to Biden's town hall and tell me they are not in the bag. Look at the protests from NBC talent because Trump was even given a town hall.
Not liking the president is not an acceptable excuse for Big Tech and MSM's behavior.
In what ways does Trump exhibit effective political leadership?
Calm and effective leadership through crisis?
A relationship-fosterer, sometimes across the aisle?
Is he policy-driven?
Can he understand the nuance of complex subjects?
Is he a consensus-builder?
Does he inspire loyalty amongst staff?
Does he work effectively with others that don't agree with him or kiss his ass?
Is he engaging? Affable? A good listener? Emotionally inspiring?
Is he patient enough to effectuate sometimes controversial long-term goals?
Does he view people that don't agree with him as a challenge to be worked around/through, or as the enemy?
I consider a successful businessman someone who hasn't had six entities declare bankruptcy from getting way over-leveraged, for starters. Then you have fraudulent Trump University, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka or whatever that was, etc. By the mid-90's he'd claimed over $1 billion dollars in losses on tax returns, and we all now know about his recent returns.
The man is a self-promoting shyster. He's only been considered a successful businessman because he's a very successful self-promoter. He makes development fees on the vig and his investors and financiers take a bath (and he often does too, as judged by his taxable losses).
SupplyChainPack said:
Right from Trump's election, dems announced that they would #resist.
They meant it, in spades.
If there are problems with working to solve America's problems, and move us forward, the issue clearly lies with them, not the President.
The cool thing is, the President has built a stunning list of accomplishments without their help, and often even without the help of many in his own party.
Every incumbent "may get rode out of Washington on a rail" before the election. But, Trump. I know.Civilized said:SupplyChainPack said:
Right from Trump's election, dems announced that they would #resist.
They meant it, in spades.
If there are problems with working to solve America's problems, and move us forward, the issue clearly lies with them, not the President.
The cool thing is, the President has built a stunning list of accomplishments without their help, and often even without the help of many in his own party.
It's strange that an incumbent president with a 'stunning' list of accomplishments may get rode out of Washington on a rail, isn't it?
cowboypack02 said:
Its not just Trump....Its pretty obvious that the Big Tech is out to cover for democrats in general and go after republicans.
I've also got some more bad news for you.....the reason that people voted for Trump last election was because he wasn't a politician. I guess you just prefer your politicians sleazy, unethical, and racist....like Biden
packgrad said:Every incumbent "may get rode out of Washington on a rail" before the election. But, Trump. I know.Civilized said:SupplyChainPack said:
Right from Trump's election, dems announced that they would #resist.
They meant it, in spades.
If there are problems with working to solve America's problems, and move us forward, the issue clearly lies with them, not the President.
The cool thing is, the President has built a stunning list of accomplishments without their help, and often even without the help of many in his own party.
It's strange that an incumbent president with a 'stunning' list of accomplishments may get rode out of Washington on a rail, isn't it?
We don't have to wait for the next presidential candidate....we can look at the last one.Civilized said:cowboypack02 said:
Its not just Trump....Its pretty obvious that the Big Tech is out to cover for democrats in general and go after republicans.
I've also got some more bad news for you.....the reason that people voted for Trump last election was because he wasn't a politician. I guess you just prefer your politicians sleazy, unethical, and racist....like Biden
We'll see when the next Republican is in office.
If you're right, they'll treat Nikki Haley the same way they treated Trump.
cowboypack02 said:We don't have to wait for the next presidential candidate....we can look at the last one.Civilized said:cowboypack02 said:
Its not just Trump....Its pretty obvious that the Big Tech is out to cover for democrats in general and go after republicans.
I've also got some more bad news for you.....the reason that people voted for Trump last election was because he wasn't a politician. I guess you just prefer your politicians sleazy, unethical, and racist....like Biden
We'll see when the next Republican is in office.
If you're right, they'll treat Nikki Haley the same way they treated Trump.
The media absolutely went after Romney in 2012 for every little thing they could. The moderators of one of the debates argued with him, Joe Biden told black folks that Romney "is gonna put you back in chains".....
Pacfanweb said:
The media goes after Trump harder because he hits back so often. But they still have gone after Republicans way out of proportion do anything they've done against Democrats. Other than a slight pause after 9/11, they went after W pretty vigorously.
They gave Obama a pass almost across the board. There were plenty of things they could called him on and chose not to. That's even been reported in the press before by some of their own.
They are 100% in the tank for the Democrats, and Trump has only made that more clear. The next Republican that is elected they will still go after... But if that person is a little more laid-back in defending themselves than Trump is, it probably will not be so obvious. But it will still be there.
Bas2020 said:
Uhhhhh did you not watch the Kavanaugh hearings ?
The media & Democrats are nasty & vile folks . The whole world watched that treatment .
They will do that to anyone who dares to disagree with them . Trump or anybody else .
Civilized said:Bas2020 said:
Uhhhhh did you not watch the Kavanaugh hearings ?
The media & Democrats are nasty & vile folks . The whole world watched that treatment .
They will do that to anyone who dares to disagree with them . Trump or anybody else .
Yeah I did. My impression was that Kavanaugh was a total d-bag and he had credible allegations of sex assault emerge. That's not going to make for softball questioning from Dems and the media.
Civilized said:Bas2020 said:
Uhhhhh did you not watch the Kavanaugh hearings ?
The media & Democrats are nasty & vile folks . The whole world watched that treatment .
They will do that to anyone who dares to disagree with them . Trump or anybody else .
Yeah I did. My impression was that Kavanaugh was a total d-bag and he had credible allegations of sex assault emerge. That's not going to make for softball questioning from Dems and the media.
Pacfanweb said:Civilized said:Bas2020 said:
Uhhhhh did you not watch the Kavanaugh hearings ?
The media & Democrats are nasty & vile folks . The whole world watched that treatment .
They will do that to anyone who dares to disagree with them . Trump or anybody else .
Yeah I did. My impression was that Kavanaugh was a total d-bag and he had credible allegations of sex assault emerge. That's not going to make for softball questioning from Dems and the media.
Wait.... you think the allegations against Kavanaugh were credible, but the evidence currently being uncovered against Biden is not?
GuerrillaPack said:
LOL. That's hilarious. The allegations against Kavanaugh were a COMPLETE JOKE.
The free press is one thing but I don't believe that exists any longer (at least not in the way that it was intended). The free press has transformed into PACs. It's no secret that the lion's share of media do all of the heavy lifting for the Democrats, free of charge.The boundaries that the media constantly crosses in an effort to convince Americans to believe in what they (the media) want Americans to believe in is probably the No. 1 issue for me personally. The media's job should be to tell the news, free of bias. Sadly, that ended long ago.Civilized said:Pacfanweb said:
The media goes after Trump harder because he hits back so often. But they still have gone after Republicans way out of proportion do anything they've done against Democrats. Other than a slight pause after 9/11, they went after W pretty vigorously.
They gave Obama a pass almost across the board. There were plenty of things they could called him on and chose not to. That's even been reported in the press before by some of their own.
They are 100% in the tank for the Democrats, and Trump has only made that more clear. The next Republican that is elected they will still go after... But if that person is a little more laid-back in defending themselves than Trump is, it probably will not be so obvious. But it will still be there.
100% agree with there being bias present.
But bias, and what we've seen the last four years, are two different things.
Trump doesn't simply defend himself.
When he proposes government retribution against news outlets and reporters that's not defense. That's attacking the Free Press, and news outlets and reporters respond in predictable ways to him threatening their livelihood and a staple of our democracy. No other president has handled the media that way. No one.
Sometimes it's unfair on the part of the media. Sometimes it's because he's completely full of ***** Often it's more mundane, either because the media asks him pointed questions he doesn't like or because someone is calling him out on his normal Trump-style bloviating.
What we've watched play out is a highly toxic relationship. Different people will apportion blame in different ways, often depending on their politics, but everyone can see that this is very much a two-way street. Neither Trump nor the MSM is solely to blame.
Steve Williams said:The free press is one thing but I don't believe that exists any longer (at least not in the way that it was intended). The free press has transformed into PACs. It's no secret that the lion's share of media do all of the heavy lifting for the Democrats, free of charge.The boundaries that the media constantly crosses in an effort to convince Americans to believe in what they (the media) want Americans to believe in is probably the No. 1 issue for me personally. The media's job should be to tell the news, free of bias. Sadly, that ended long ago.Civilized said:Pacfanweb said:
The media goes after Trump harder because he hits back so often. But they still have gone after Republicans way out of proportion do anything they've done against Democrats. Other than a slight pause after 9/11, they went after W pretty vigorously.
They gave Obama a pass almost across the board. There were plenty of things they could called him on and chose not to. That's even been reported in the press before by some of their own.
They are 100% in the tank for the Democrats, and Trump has only made that more clear. The next Republican that is elected they will still go after... But if that person is a little more laid-back in defending themselves than Trump is, it probably will not be so obvious. But it will still be there.
100% agree with there being bias present.
But bias, and what we've seen the last four years, are two different things.
Trump doesn't simply defend himself.
When he proposes government retribution against news outlets and reporters that's not defense. That's attacking the Free Press, and news outlets and reporters respond in predictable ways to him threatening their livelihood and a staple of our democracy. No other president has handled the media that way. No one.
Sometimes it's unfair on the part of the media. Sometimes it's because he's completely full of ***** Often it's more mundane, either because the media asks him pointed questions he doesn't like or because someone is calling him out on his normal Trump-style bloviating.
What we've watched play out is a highly toxic relationship. Different people will apportion blame in different ways, often depending on their politics, but everyone can see that this is very much a two-way street. Neither Trump nor the MSM is solely to blame.
SupplyChainPack said:Steve Williams said:The free press is one thing but I don't believe that exists any longer (at least not in the way that it was intended). The free press has transformed into PACs. It's no secret that the lion's share of media do all of the heavy lifting for the Democrats, free of charge.The boundaries that the media constantly crosses in an effort to convince Americans to believe in what they (the media) want Americans to believe in is probably the No. 1 issue for me personally. The media's job should be to tell the news, free of bias. Sadly, that ended long ago.Civilized said:Pacfanweb said:
The media goes after Trump harder because he hits back so often. But they still have gone after Republicans way out of proportion do anything they've done against Democrats. Other than a slight pause after 9/11, they went after W pretty vigorously.
They gave Obama a pass almost across the board. There were plenty of things they could called him on and chose not to. That's even been reported in the press before by some of their own.
They are 100% in the tank for the Democrats, and Trump has only made that more clear. The next Republican that is elected they will still go after... But if that person is a little more laid-back in defending themselves than Trump is, it probably will not be so obvious. But it will still be there.
100% agree with there being bias present.
But bias, and what we've seen the last four years, are two different things.
Trump doesn't simply defend himself.
When he proposes government retribution against news outlets and reporters that's not defense. That's attacking the Free Press, and news outlets and reporters respond in predictable ways to him threatening their livelihood and a staple of our democracy. No other president has handled the media that way. No one.
Sometimes it's unfair on the part of the media. Sometimes it's because he's completely full of ***** Often it's more mundane, either because the media asks him pointed questions he doesn't like or because someone is calling him out on his normal Trump-style bloviating.
What we've watched play out is a highly toxic relationship. Different people will apportion blame in different ways, often depending on their politics, but everyone can see that this is very much a two-way street. Neither Trump nor the MSM is solely to blame.
No doubt about it.
GuerrillaPack said:
How has Trump "threatened" the Leftist Establishment Lamestream media? Calling them out as the LIARS that they are is not a "threat". Trump is not trying to silence them or stop their right to speak. That is what the Left does. The Left (e.g., Big Tech) are the ones banning and censoring and silencing conservatives and right-wing press. As usual, the Left projects the crimes that THEY are committing, and accuses others of what THEY are doing.
Civilized said:GuerrillaPack said:
How has Trump "threatened" the Leftist Establishment Lamestream media? Calling them out as the LIARS that they are is not a "threat". Trump is not trying to silence them or stop their right to speak. That is what the Left does. The Left (e.g., Big Tech) are the ones banning and censoring and silencing conservatives and right-wing press. As usual, the Left projects the crimes that THEY are committing, and accuses others of what THEY are doing.
Big Tech is private, GP. They can conduct their businesses as they see fit.
Freedom of the press is the responsibility of the government, not private industry.
And this is because those who own and run the Establishment press and media (as well as the Big Tech social media companies) are ideological socialists/Marxists. All modern Leftist movements (including the Democrat party) are ideologically rooted in Marxism. And most conservatives are finally starting to realize this, as is evident in the current social discourse, with Biden/Harris and other prominent Democrats (eg, AOC, Bernie Sanders) being self-admitted socialists or being called out as such.TraCha4 said:
Our own US media is our biggest enemy. Really sad and scary where we are right now. Very slippery slope.
TraCha4 said:
With everything that we have gone through in 2020, it's amazing how some people can't see how quickly your freedom can be taken away with a country run by Democrats.
Not to mention the fundamental difference in beliefs of being a Christian vs what the Democratic Party says is acceptable in this world.