I also would like to go back to "The Squad". A few weeks ago I posted a video about the Justice Democrats and their influence over these new congress members. All 4 of "The Squad" are backed by the Justice Democrats. While the guy in the video was admittedly ridiculous, the video did pull back the curtain on the Justice Democrats and what there motives are.

If you are a Democrat, then you should be just as concerned with these people as Republicans. The Justice Democrats want to destroy the Democrat party just as much as they want to destroy the Republican party. Look at how the Democrats have zero control over them. Just last night "The Squad" said Pelosi should "come to them" to talk about their recent issues. They have zero respect for her or the Democrats. I don't have much either, but I am not pretending to be a part of their party.

These are very dangerous people and they absolutely want to end everything about America that made it strong. Their brand of socialism should concern anyone with even a remote sense of economics. For the life of me I cannot understand why the Democrats are letting themselves be pulled around by the nose of these 4 freshman congresswomen.

I didn't watch the conspiracy theorist video, are the Justice Democrats sort of like the Koch brothers or Federalist Society?

I find it funny that "The Squad" is now complaining about people saying things about them now that they find offensive or mean. All 4 have constantly done the same to others without caring what those people thought. Now the tables have turned on them a little and they are getting their feelings hurt. I truly hope they are all defeated at the polls just to see the outcry from all 4 since they think at this point, they are so important.

Are you talking about "go back to where they came from" or something else?

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Are you talking about "go back to where they came from" or something else?

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Man I get it. You're a defender of "The Squad" and most any Democrat policy. That has become clear and that is fine. I can't continue a conversation with someone who has no ability to see both sides and that is the position you hold. I also know that it appears you don't like anything about Trump. There isn't much I like about him either but I am capable of seeing both sides. With that said, "The Squad" is being pushed back on by many in their own party right now and many outside their party. They don't like it. They would rather throw it then catch it. I find that funny. I also find it funny how you continue to bring up the "go back to your country" comment and yet you continue to ignore the border patrol are Nazis, the anti-Semitic comments made about Israel, and other offensive and hateful things they have said. I've stated multiple times that I disagree completely with the junk that trump says. Again, I can see it from both sides while you are unable to do so. I can't keep responding back to someone who is blind to what their "party" does wrong. I don't have a party, nev r have and never will. I will continue to comment on what I feel both sides are doing right or wrong. You are allowed to view things however you would like. I just can't continue to carry a conversation with someone who only wants the conversation to be one sided and their view only. Post away but I am not responding back to anymore of the one sided, blind to your parties issues, responses.

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I didn't watch the conspiracy theorist video, are the Justice Democrats sort of like the Koch brothers or Federalist Society?

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More like the Tea party and other organizations that were funding primary challenges to Republicans. Justice Democrats are just an organization that wants to move the party left and they primarily target Democrats for primary challenges.

The Koch Brothers are actually funding politicians much less now.

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I didn't watch the conspiracy theorist video, are the Justice Democrats sort of like the Koch brothers or Federalist Society?

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More like George Soros.

Is this the conspiracy video you all are talking about?

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statefan91 said:

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Are you talking about "go back to where they came from" or something else?

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Man I get it. You're a defender of "The Squad" and most any Democrat policy. That has become clear and that is fine. I can't continue a conversation with someone who has no ability to see both sides and that is the position you hold. I also know that it appears you don't like anything about Trump. There isn't much I like about him either but I am capable of seeing both sides. With that said, "The Squad" is being pushed back on by many in their own party right now and many outside their party. They don't like it. They would rather throw it then catch it. I find that funny. I also find it funny how you continue to bring up the "go back to your country" comment and yet you continue to ignore the border patrol are Nazis, the anti-Semitic comments made about Israel, and other offensive and hateful things they have said. I've stated multiple times that I disagree completely with the junk that trump says. Again, I can see it from both sides while you are unable to do so. I can't keep responding back to someone who is blind to what their "party" does wrong. I don't have a party, nev r have and never will. I will continue to comment on what I feel both sides are doing right or wrong. You are allowed to view things however you would like. I just can't continue to carry a conversation with someone who only wants the conversation to be one sided and their view only. Post away but I am not responding back to anymore of the one sided, blind to your parties issues, responses.

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I believe that "The Squad", Trump, and pretty much every other political figure that have been entrusted with leading our nation are so caught up in politics that they are unable to actually accomplish a single thing. It was once said, "Don't complain unless you have a better way"; well I wish that our politicians would abide by this philosophy. It seems that all they do is complain about what is going on and get people stirred up, all for the purpose of either getting elected or staying in office. The entire US political system needs to be overhauled. It is in shambles.

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KEEP SAYING IT WITH ME!!! POST OF THE THREAD!

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I believe that "The Squad", Trump, and pretty much every other political figure that have been entrusted with leading our nation are so caught up in politics that they are unable to actually accomplish a single thing. It was once said, "Don't complain unless you have a better way"; well I wish that our politicians would abide by this philosophy. It seems that all they do is complain about what is going on and get people stirred up, all for the purpose of either getting elected or staying in office. The entire US political system needs to be overhauled. It is in shambles.

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I 100% agree with this. I think back to when Clinton was first elected. It was rumored that He and Hillary laid in bed the first night just laughed because they had won. The office of POTUS is a power trip. Who in their right mind would want the job?

But the system we have is what we have. We have to deal with it as best we can.

I don't know what the answer is except it's not Donald Trump

metcalfmafia said:

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Is this the conspiracy video you all are talking about?

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Incredibly sad people watch this tripe and take it verbatim. Social Media has now become fact.

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The "Send Her Back" chants from last night were one of the most abhorrent things I have seen during the Trump Presidency. I cannot think of a single line more anti-American than that. Disgusting.

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Worse thing is there were some members of my church in attendance chanting away. And they just returned from a mission trip in Honduras. Plus we let a Hispanic group use our building to hold church services every week.

I've asked them that if they heard their children chant this same thing to a fellow classmate what would their response be. It's been silence

Just out of curiosity and I am almost afraid to even ask this question but I guess I will. To the ones up in arms about what trump said, were you also up in arms about the comments that all 4 members of "The Squad" have said? I'm asking a serious question. When I heard the statements made by these members about border patrol, Jews, etc. It pisses me the **** off. Literally made my blood boil. When I hear trump say some of the things he has said, this being the latest, it pisses me the **** off. Literally makes my blood boil. So I'm simply wondering, for those that are up in arms now, were you up in arms then? I was and I am. Just checking to see who here is honest enough to admit the were and they are or that they just are now.

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fhstatefan43 said:

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I believe that "The Squad", Trump, and pretty much every other political figure that have been entrusted with leading our nation are so caught up in politics that they are unable to actually accomplish a single thing. It was once said, "Don't complain unless you have a better way"; well I wish that our politicians would abide by this philosophy. It seems that all they do is complain about what is going on and get people stirred up, all for the purpose of either getting elected or staying in office. The entire US political system needs to be overhauled. It is in shambles.

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I 100% agree with this. I think back to when Clinton was first elected. It was rumored that He and Hillary laid in bed the first night just laughed because they had won. The office of POTUS is a power trip. Who in their right mind would want the job?

But the system we have is what we have. We have to deal with it as best we can.

I don't know what the answer is except it's not Donald Trump

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We would fight much less over politics and there would be less theater if the government was less powerful. The stronger it is the more potential for power when on the 'winning' team. This is especially true with the presidency which has taken on more and more power over the years.

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Just out of curiosity and I am almost afraid to even ask this question but I guess I will. To the ones up in arms about what trump said, were you also up in arms about the comments that all 4 members of "The Squad" have said? I'm asking a serious question. When I heard the statements made by these members about border patrol, Jews, etc. It pisses me the **** off. Literally made my blood boil. When I hear trump say some of the things he has said, this being the latest, it pisses me the **** off. Literally makes my blood boil. So I'm simply wondering, for those that are up in arms now, were you up in arms then? I was and I am. Just checking to see who here is honest enough to admit the were and they are or that they just are now.

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Yes, Omars comments about Israel were anti-semetic and deserved to be called out. Republicans jumped on it and many Democrats as well (although many did not). But I still think Trumps comment' implying they weren't american, was racist/xenophobic, and more directly so than what Omar said. I don't think any of the comments on the border patrol belong in the same discussion. Abolishing ICE is dumb, not bigoted.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Just out of curiosity and I am almost afraid to even ask this question but I guess I will. To the ones up in arms about what trump said, were you also up in arms about the comments that all 4 members of "The Squad" have said? I'm asking a serious question. When I heard the statements made by these members about border patrol, Jews, etc. It pisses me the **** off. Literally made my blood boil. When I hear trump say some of the things he has said, this being the latest, it pisses me the **** off. Literally makes my blood boil. So I'm simply wondering, for those that are up in arms now, were you up in arms then? I was and I am. Just checking to see who here is honest enough to admit the were and they are or that they just are now.

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Yes, Omars comments about Israel were anti-semetic and deserved to be called out. Republicans jumped on it and many Democrats as well (although many did not). But I still think Trumps comment' implying they weren't american, was racist/xenophobic, and more directly so than what Omar said. I don't think any of the comments on the border patrol belong in the same discussion. Abolishing ICE is dumb, not bigoted.

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I find calling the the places where illegal immigrants are kept concentration camps and the people that run those places Nazis and bigoted, offensive and wrong but that's just me. Im not selective with my anger(not saying you are). I find both sides of this disgusting.

Definition of concentration camp

: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

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Perhaps the smartest move most of y'all could make is to stop watching the news media coverage. Those folks get paid to make everyone watch. Most people watch simply to have their own biases confirmed and each side obliges with the most antagonistic style they can muster. EVERYONE walks away angry. There is no attempt at understanding the viewpoints of others.

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The last part is key, and has been amplified a thousand times over through social media. We don't live in a generic news cycle anymore, we live in an amplified echo chamber where you can choose what you want to hear (ie, what you are already inclined to believe). There is no scenario where people have civil discourse using actual facts on a subject. It's completely opinion and we're fed said opinion as fact. I'm not sure there is any turning back either, unfortunately.

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Is this the conspiracy video you all are talking about?

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Incredibly sad people watch this tripe and take it verbatim. Social Media has now become fact.

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Not saying I believe everything in the video, but you don't find it strange that AOC was selected in a casting call to run for her Congress seat?

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Definition of concentration camp

: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

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I get it man. Already had this discussion with you. Trump can do no right and the far left that you support fan do no wrong. As I've stated before, that is what is wrong with this country right now. Far left and far right.

I think they are idiots and I could care less about the conditions where ILLEGAL immigrants are being held. They are not being held there against their will, they can leave anytime they want! I guess they want wall to wall carpet with wifi and cable tv.

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I think they are idiots and I could care less about the conditions where ILLEGAL immigrants are being held. They are not being held there against their will, they can leave anytime they want! I guess they want wall to wall carpet with wifi and cable tv.

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They can only leave if they can pay for a flight home. They can't just walk out. Most cannot afford that which is why they bussed and walked in the first place

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Definition of concentration camp

: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

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I admit, I thought you would have defended AOC calling them concentration camps. But that definition you posted perfectly sums up why it was such a stupid analogy on her part.

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Just out of curiosity and I am almost afraid to even ask this question but I guess I will. To the ones up in arms about what trump said, were you also up in arms about the comments that all 4 members of "The Squad" have said? I'm asking a serious question. When I heard the statements made by these members about border patrol, Jews, etc. It pisses me the **** off. Literally made my blood boil. When I hear trump say some of the things he has said, this being the latest, it pisses me the **** off. Literally makes my blood boil. So I'm simply wondering, for those that are up in arms now, were you up in arms then? I was and I am. Just checking to see who here is honest enough to admit the were and they are or that they just are now.

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Yes, Omars comments about Israel were anti-semetic and deserved to be called out. Republicans jumped on it and many Democrats as well (although many did not). But I still think Trumps comment' implying they weren't american, was racist/xenophobic, and more directly so than what Omar said. I don't think any of the comments on the border patrol belong in the same discussion. Abolishing ICE is dumb, not bigoted.

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I find calling the the places where illegal immigrants are kept concentration camps and the people that run those places Nazis and bigoted, offensive and wrong but that's just me. Im not selective with my anger(not saying you are). I find both sides of this disgusting.

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I guess. The left throws around 'Nazi' so much that it honestly just doesn't phase me anymore. AOC and the progressive caucus definitely overly dramatize to the point it's not truthful. But random congressmen in heavily one sided districts have been saying crazy stuff forever. The president should be held to a higher standard. And the past week has just been dark, disturbing language. He may be the most divisive person in my entire life. His rhetoric could not be better scripted to stoke resentment and hatred

I do find both sides disgusting. Right leaning Independent/ Moderate Libertarian here. But one side is scaring me more than the other at the present.
To be fair Democrats scare me more on the economy. Which is impressive considering they are up against tarriff man

metcalfmafia said:

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metcalfmafia said:

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Is this the conspiracy video you all are talking about?

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Incredibly sad people watch this tripe and take it verbatim. Social Media has now become fact.

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Not saying I believe everything in the video, but you don't find it strange that AOC was selected in a casting call to run for her Congress seat?

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She was recruited by a PAC, which actually isn't that uncommon (both sides have PACs that recruit to their beliefs). A "casting call" is quite a stretch. And regardless, even after she decided to run, backed by the Justice Democrats, she still had to beat a multi-time incumbent for the Dem nomination?

I don't agree with everything she says, but she's definitely struck at the heart of something as she's all Fox News, et al can talk about. They throw out "Communism" like it's still 1950. I would bet the majority of those on TV throwing out this accusation can't even give the definition of communism (or socialism).

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I think they are idiots and I could care less about the conditions where ILLEGAL immigrants are being held. They are not being held there against their will, they can leave anytime they want! I guess they want wall to wall carpet with wifi and cable tv.

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They are also human beings?

To be fair, AOC calls herself socialist and I'm doubtful she can define socialism

IseWolf22 said:

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To be fair, AOC calls herself socialist and I'm doubtful she can define socialism

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I agree with this, probably.

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Definition of concentration camp

: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

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I get it man. Already had this discussion with you. Trump can do no right and the far left that you support fan do no wrong. As I've stated before, that is what is wrong with this country right now. Far left and far right.

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Pretty sure the Jews and the Japanese couldn't walk out the front door and head south whenever they wanted, unlike what those at the border can do at anytime.